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	<title>Comments on: A Not So Pro-life Patriarch . . .</title>
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		<title>By: Marianne</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/10/27/a-not-so-pro-life-patriarch/comment-page-1/#comment-4317</link>
		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please, fellow Catholics, let&#039;s not pretend there is anything revelatory in the Patriarch&#039;s utterly dim comments. In the hearts and minds of the common Orthodox, he is esteemed as a spiritual leader of a rank only slightly higher than that of the Queen of England. He&#039;s a bit of a joke, in other words-- a joke occupying a right and venerable hierarchical seat, to be sure, but a joke all the same. Lacking a proper flock of his own (Please see encyclopedia entry &quot;Turkish-Greek Population Exchange&quot;) he seems to have used his pastoral platform to court another sort of congregation: the high and European mighty who sip elegant drinks at political round-tables. Poor, deceived Bartholomew, don&#039;t you know that your chums think you look awfully silly in that hat?

The Orthodox almost universally have very good things to say about these things. Look to the Russians for sterner words than are heard anywhere else. Patriarch Bartholomew is an anomaly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, fellow Catholics, let&#8217;s not pretend there is anything revelatory in the Patriarch&#8217;s utterly dim comments. In the hearts and minds of the common Orthodox, he is esteemed as a spiritual leader of a rank only slightly higher than that of the Queen of England. He&#8217;s a bit of a joke, in other words&#8211; a joke occupying a right and venerable hierarchical seat, to be sure, but a joke all the same. Lacking a proper flock of his own (Please see encyclopedia entry &#8220;Turkish-Greek Population Exchange&#8221;) he seems to have used his pastoral platform to court another sort of congregation: the high and European mighty who sip elegant drinks at political round-tables. Poor, deceived Bartholomew, don&#8217;t you know that your chums think you look awfully silly in that hat?</p>
<p>The Orthodox almost universally have very good things to say about these things. Look to the Russians for sterner words than are heard anywhere else. Patriarch Bartholomew is an anomaly.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily M.</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/10/27/a-not-so-pro-life-patriarch/comment-page-1/#comment-4312</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A thought that popped into my head when reading the quoted paragraph about the Orthodox&#039;s respect for the soul entering the body from conception, soul or no soul, it is still part of God&#039;s known creation. Psalm 139:13 anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought that popped into my head when reading the quoted paragraph about the Orthodox&#8217;s respect for the soul entering the body from conception, soul or no soul, it is still part of God&#8217;s known creation. Psalm 139:13 anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: David James</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/10/27/a-not-so-pro-life-patriarch/comment-page-1/#comment-4300</link>
		<dc:creator>David James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Jeremy. 

As an Orthodox Christian myself, I&#039;m dumbfounded when others at my parish attempt to compartmentalize their faith by saying politics can be separate from Christianity or, worse, try to reconcile pro-choice views with the writings of the Fathers and the life of the Church, et cetera. But my jaw hit the floor when I read that this was an Orthodox hierarch that had said these remarks. Disheartening would be an understatement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Jeremy. </p>
<p>As an Orthodox Christian myself, I&#8217;m dumbfounded when others at my parish attempt to compartmentalize their faith by saying politics can be separate from Christianity or, worse, try to reconcile pro-choice views with the writings of the Fathers and the life of the Church, et cetera. But my jaw hit the floor when I read that this was an Orthodox hierarch that had said these remarks. Disheartening would be an understatement.</p>
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		<title>By: John W. Gillis</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/10/27/a-not-so-pro-life-patriarch/comment-page-1/#comment-4297</link>
		<dc:creator>John W. Gillis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look on the bright side... the website with his bio says he is &quot;the first major Christian leader to make the environment a moral imperative.&quot; If saving the mint, dill, and cumin constitutes a moral imperative, the &quot;least of these my brethren&quot; can&#039;t be far behind, right?

On the other hand, if the heresies that fractured the Church in the first millennium were mostly Christological (e.g. Arianism, Nestorianiam, Monophysitism), and the second witnessed ruptures that were largely ecclesiological (not to overlook the role of bald politics in any of this...), the great heresies of our age are clearly anthropological, and the See of Constantinople is apparently on something other than orthodox ground on the most crucial matters of the day - again. Might this possibly turn out to be, at long last, a kind of wake-up call in the Orthodox world that would make a modern &quot;Florence&quot; moment fecund?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look on the bright side&#8230; the website with his bio says he is &#8220;the first major Christian leader to make the environment a moral imperative.&#8221; If saving the mint, dill, and cumin constitutes a moral imperative, the &#8220;least of these my brethren&#8221; can&#8217;t be far behind, right?</p>
<p>On the other hand, if the heresies that fractured the Church in the first millennium were mostly Christological (e.g. Arianism, Nestorianiam, Monophysitism), and the second witnessed ruptures that were largely ecclesiological (not to overlook the role of bald politics in any of this&#8230;), the great heresies of our age are clearly anthropological, and the See of Constantinople is apparently on something other than orthodox ground on the most crucial matters of the day &#8211; again. Might this possibly turn out to be, at long last, a kind of wake-up call in the Orthodox world that would make a modern &#8220;Florence&#8221; moment fecund?</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/10/27/a-not-so-pro-life-patriarch/comment-page-1/#comment-4296</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[W, that should read A.D.  Will fix!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W, that should read A.D.  Will fix!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an Orthodox Christian, these words are read with sadness. 

However, the position stated is in no way a normal Orthodox thought. If His Beatitude still truly believes these things, I&#039;m glad he does not have the power to make it some sort of dogma, nor do I think the Church would accept it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Orthodox Christian, these words are read with sadness. </p>
<p>However, the position stated is in no way a normal Orthodox thought. If His Beatitude still truly believes these things, I&#8217;m glad he does not have the power to make it some sort of dogma, nor do I think the Church would accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For a church that talks about being founded in 32 B.C. ...&quot;

32 B.C. ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For a church that talks about being founded in 32 B.C. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>32 B.C. ?</p>
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		<title>By: Gail F</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/10/27/a-not-so-pro-life-patriarch/comment-page-1/#comment-4286</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[”generally speaking, respects human life and the continuation of pregnancy”

You can&#039;t respect human life &quot;generally,&quot; you can either respect it or not respect it.

The Patriarch had a column on &quot;climate change&quot;  in the WSJ yesterday or Saturday. Hmmmm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>”generally speaking, respects human life and the continuation of pregnancy”</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t respect human life &#8220;generally,&#8221; you can either respect it or not respect it.</p>
<p>The Patriarch had a column on &#8220;climate change&#8221;  in the WSJ yesterday or Saturday. Hmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: MargaretMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MargaretMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;whose clergy have, in some cities, excommunicated leading pro-choice Catholics&quot;

This is used as one of two statements describing the RCC in this story as if it were a widespread phenomena.  How many times has it been done?  Fewer than it ought to be, to be used as a way of characterizing what the Church&#039;s opposition to abortion. In fact, the most prominent pro-abortion (not just &quot;pro-choice&quot;) Catholics in the US  continue to receive Communion publicly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;whose clergy have, in some cities, excommunicated leading pro-choice Catholics&#8221;</p>
<p>This is used as one of two statements describing the RCC in this story as if it were a widespread phenomena.  How many times has it been done?  Fewer than it ought to be, to be used as a way of characterizing what the Church&#8217;s opposition to abortion. In fact, the most prominent pro-abortion (not just &#8220;pro-choice&#8221;) Catholics in the US  continue to receive Communion publicly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/10/27/a-not-so-pro-life-patriarch/comment-page-1/#comment-4278</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See what happens when you split from Rome...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See what happens when you split from Rome&#8230;</p>
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