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		<title>By: wulfmankarl</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/12/03/the-fountainhead-of-bedford-falls/comment-page-1/#comment-6215</link>
		<dc:creator>wulfmankarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You misread Roark&#039;s destruction of &quot;property&quot;.  The action was not parasitic by his terms, it was an act of war.  He considered his creation illegitimately seized and perverted by parasites, so he scuttled the project like any military adversary might as a strategic maneuver.

Likewise, today&#039;s Roarks and Galts either abandon or scuttle projects they consider too gutted or poisoned by government parasitism to be allowed to survive.  Creators euthanize their businesses or sell them to suckers before the government&#039;s taxes, regulations, and mandates overtake them.

The egalitarian statists take pride in attempting to kill the golden geese, but do not understand that those entrepreneurial geese also provide eggs that average people eat...they provide jobs.  Rather than wait to be killed, the creators simply lay off their employees and withdraw to retirement. 

Those that think Rand&#039;s allegories are infantile do not understand that meritocracy is required for long term human survival.  It is the kindergarten philosophy of equal sharing of all goods that is infantile, and deadly if adopted by adult society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You misread Roark&#8217;s destruction of &#8220;property&#8221;.  The action was not parasitic by his terms, it was an act of war.  He considered his creation illegitimately seized and perverted by parasites, so he scuttled the project like any military adversary might as a strategic maneuver.</p>
<p>Likewise, today&#8217;s Roarks and Galts either abandon or scuttle projects they consider too gutted or poisoned by government parasitism to be allowed to survive.  Creators euthanize their businesses or sell them to suckers before the government&#8217;s taxes, regulations, and mandates overtake them.</p>
<p>The egalitarian statists take pride in attempting to kill the golden geese, but do not understand that those entrepreneurial geese also provide eggs that average people eat&#8230;they provide jobs.  Rather than wait to be killed, the creators simply lay off their employees and withdraw to retirement. </p>
<p>Those that think Rand&#8217;s allegories are infantile do not understand that meritocracy is required for long term human survival.  It is the kindergarten philosophy of equal sharing of all goods that is infantile, and deadly if adopted by adult society.</p>
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		<title>By: Peace With Christ Lutheran Church &#8211; The Fountainhead of Bedford Falls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peace With Christ Lutheran Church &#8211; The Fountainhead of Bedford Falls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and discusses these two literary figure &#8211; and comes to some interesting conclusions.  The Fountainhead of Bedford Falls  Posted by admin &#124; in Events &#124; No Comments [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I agree that his view as a child, and young man, as to what will make him happy may not be what will actually make him happy, and that the choices are valid ones for him–but I’m not sure why those choices had to make him so poor.&quot;

As Harry Bailey says at the end, George is the &quot;richest man in town.&quot;  That is, he has friends who do not desert him when he is in trouble.  Any other kind of riches is an illusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree that his view as a child, and young man, as to what will make him happy may not be what will actually make him happy, and that the choices are valid ones for him–but I’m not sure why those choices had to make him so poor.&#8221;</p>
<p>As Harry Bailey says at the end, George is the &#8220;richest man in town.&#8221;  That is, he has friends who do not desert him when he is in trouble.  Any other kind of riches is an illusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My son in medical school found this entry in comments to other things he is reading.  He forwarded it on to me--of ourse I had already seen it.  But I was busy on Friday to comment because I had to leave town to visit my elderly father in a town north of Syracuse NY.  He has Alzheimers and lives with my sister.  Saturday night we watched &quot;Its A Wonderful Life&quot; again.  Its probably the 20th time for me.  I thought about the movie on the drive home Sunday.  I wondered.  Why is he so poor?  What&#039;s so &quot;good&quot; about a Building &amp; Loan Ass&#039;n anyway?  Isn&#039;t it just another kind of bank? [when I was young in the 70&#039;s and early 80&#039;s there was a scandal involving savings and loans--they were the greedy speculators of that time--massive bailout needed]  So is he the chump because he is giving his loans away for less than market?  Why isn&#039;t the outcome like what eventually occurred with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--loans to people without the ability to pay them back.  And if he&#039;s giving it away, what sort of interest is he paying to the depositors?  Much of the premise began to unravel for me.
 
I think the movie very well captures the frustration that George has because his dreams are for something else and he continually makes choices based upon his moral and ethical world-view. I agree that his view as a child, and young man, as to what will make him happy may not be what will actually make him happy, and that the choices are valid ones for him--but I&#039;m not sure why those choices had to make him so poor.  I often wonder what development decisions his building and loan would have gotten involved in in the post-WWII period when things began to boom--although we know that Bedford Falls--which is very specifically set in Upstate NY--in fact a strong case has been made that it is patterned after a particular community in the Finger Lakes area around Rochester (Seneca Falls--they even market themselves that way in some places) did not thrive, for macroeconomic reasons and high taxes.  So the movie ends at one particular historical point in time--when everything else will change.
 
But the reason the movie is so successful is that no matter what choice one makes, it is a choice, so that it almost always fails to live up to the ideal that may exist in one&#039;s head of what might have been if the other choice had been made.  Everyone can relate to that emotion, to the frustrations of everyday living, to the fact that living with other people always means that you have to give in some of the time. Sure, this particular person has been selfless--if marrying the one you love is considered selfless-- so he&#039;s more heroic; but even he shows glimpses of being a little down to earth--those wonderful scenes when he grabs Uncle Billy by the collar and says-&quot;Where&#039;s that money, you silly, stupid old man?&quot;  Or when he&#039;s mean to the teacher, or yells at his kids, or is sarcastic to the angel--at least I could relate to those scenes.  Most of the time his heroism isn&#039;t grand--just doing the right thing in the  circumstances--who could deny his brother the opportunity to do what he&#039;s good at?  And at that point he could have shut down the building and loan--except he gets married and she wants to stay in town, and then they have a baby.  So, I can still identify with the movie, and I think it has a lot of valid points, but on the economics I think its a little too black and white--which kind of lessens it for me now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son in medical school found this entry in comments to other things he is reading.  He forwarded it on to me&#8211;of ourse I had already seen it.  But I was busy on Friday to comment because I had to leave town to visit my elderly father in a town north of Syracuse NY.  He has Alzheimers and lives with my sister.  Saturday night we watched &#8220;Its A Wonderful Life&#8221; again.  Its probably the 20th time for me.  I thought about the movie on the drive home Sunday.  I wondered.  Why is he so poor?  What&#8217;s so &#8220;good&#8221; about a Building &amp; Loan Ass&#8217;n anyway?  Isn&#8217;t it just another kind of bank? [when I was young in the 70's and early 80's there was a scandal involving savings and loans--they were the greedy speculators of that time--massive bailout needed]  So is he the chump because he is giving his loans away for less than market?  Why isn&#8217;t the outcome like what eventually occurred with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac&#8211;loans to people without the ability to pay them back.  And if he&#8217;s giving it away, what sort of interest is he paying to the depositors?  Much of the premise began to unravel for me.</p>
<p>I think the movie very well captures the frustration that George has because his dreams are for something else and he continually makes choices based upon his moral and ethical world-view. I agree that his view as a child, and young man, as to what will make him happy may not be what will actually make him happy, and that the choices are valid ones for him&#8211;but I&#8217;m not sure why those choices had to make him so poor.  I often wonder what development decisions his building and loan would have gotten involved in in the post-WWII period when things began to boom&#8211;although we know that Bedford Falls&#8211;which is very specifically set in Upstate NY&#8211;in fact a strong case has been made that it is patterned after a particular community in the Finger Lakes area around Rochester (Seneca Falls&#8211;they even market themselves that way in some places) did not thrive, for macroeconomic reasons and high taxes.  So the movie ends at one particular historical point in time&#8211;when everything else will change.</p>
<p>But the reason the movie is so successful is that no matter what choice one makes, it is a choice, so that it almost always fails to live up to the ideal that may exist in one&#8217;s head of what might have been if the other choice had been made.  Everyone can relate to that emotion, to the frustrations of everyday living, to the fact that living with other people always means that you have to give in some of the time. Sure, this particular person has been selfless&#8211;if marrying the one you love is considered selfless&#8211; so he&#8217;s more heroic; but even he shows glimpses of being a little down to earth&#8211;those wonderful scenes when he grabs Uncle Billy by the collar and says-&#8221;Where&#8217;s that money, you silly, stupid old man?&#8221;  Or when he&#8217;s mean to the teacher, or yells at his kids, or is sarcastic to the angel&#8211;at least I could relate to those scenes.  Most of the time his heroism isn&#8217;t grand&#8211;just doing the right thing in the  circumstances&#8211;who could deny his brother the opportunity to do what he&#8217;s good at?  And at that point he could have shut down the building and loan&#8211;except he gets married and she wants to stay in town, and then they have a baby.  So, I can still identify with the movie, and I think it has a lot of valid points, but on the economics I think its a little too black and white&#8211;which kind of lessens it for me now.</p>
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		<title>By: The First Last Great Christmas Movie &#171; Theology Geek NZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>The First Last Great Christmas Movie &#171; Theology Geek NZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and rediscover the spirit of Christmas. Carter, in comparing the work of Frank Capra to Ayn Rand, says: What makes George Bailey one of the most inspiring, emotionally complex characters in film is that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and rediscover the spirit of Christmas. Carter, in comparing the work of Frank Capra to Ayn Rand, says: What makes George Bailey one of the most inspiring, emotionally complex characters in film is that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The First Last Great Christmas Movie &#171; Christian Theist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The First Last Great Christmas Movie &#171; Christian Theist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and rediscover the spirit of Christmas. Carter, in comparing the work of Frank Capra to Ayn Rand, says: What makes George Bailey one of the most inspiring, emotionally complex characters in film is that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and rediscover the spirit of Christmas. Carter, in comparing the work of Frank Capra to Ayn Rand, says: What makes George Bailey one of the most inspiring, emotionally complex characters in film is that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Matters Talk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The first last great Christmas movie</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/12/03/the-fountainhead-of-bedford-falls/comment-page-1/#comment-5685</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinking Matters Talk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The first last great Christmas movie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and rediscover the spirit of Christmas. Carter, in comparing the work of Frank Capra to Ayn Rand, says: What makes George Bailey one of the most inspiring, emotionally complex characters in film is that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and rediscover the spirit of Christmas. Carter, in comparing the work of Frank Capra to Ayn Rand, says: What makes George Bailey one of the most inspiring, emotionally complex characters in film is that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reason60</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/12/03/the-fountainhead-of-bedford-falls/comment-page-1/#comment-5684</link>
		<dc:creator>Reason60</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a profoundly subversive film, in the same way that Christ&#039;s message is subversive.

Regardless of the political theorems we engage in, since the dawn of time humans have always been torn between our better and worst natures; George Bailey and Mr. Potter are their personifications.
If we are honest with ourselves, as much as  Bedford Falls seems to delight us with its virtue and rectitude, who here hasn&#039;t even for a time, longed to visit and indulge in Pottersville?

The message of self-sacrifice is and always will be subversive, as long as humans are confronted with the choice between surrendering our self and aggrandizing our self.

Ther is nothing instrinsically evil about commerce, anymore than there is anything evil about sexuality. Its only when robbed of the ennobling aspects of selflessness that they become destructive.

The film&#039;s truth is that robbed of people like George Bailey and his self-sacrificing ways, Bedford Falls does in fact turn into Pottersville.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a profoundly subversive film, in the same way that Christ&#8217;s message is subversive.</p>
<p>Regardless of the political theorems we engage in, since the dawn of time humans have always been torn between our better and worst natures; George Bailey and Mr. Potter are their personifications.<br />
If we are honest with ourselves, as much as  Bedford Falls seems to delight us with its virtue and rectitude, who here hasn&#8217;t even for a time, longed to visit and indulge in Pottersville?</p>
<p>The message of self-sacrifice is and always will be subversive, as long as humans are confronted with the choice between surrendering our self and aggrandizing our self.</p>
<p>Ther is nothing instrinsically evil about commerce, anymore than there is anything evil about sexuality. Its only when robbed of the ennobling aspects of selflessness that they become destructive.</p>
<p>The film&#8217;s truth is that robbed of people like George Bailey and his self-sacrificing ways, Bedford Falls does in fact turn into Pottersville.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Redivivus?&#160;&#124;&#160;Catholic Exchange</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/12/03/the-fountainhead-of-bedford-falls/comment-page-1/#comment-5640</link>
		<dc:creator>Rand Redivivus?&#160;&#124;&#160;Catholic Exchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] at First Thoughts , Joe Carter juxtaposes Frank Capra’s George Bailey (of It’s a Wonderful Life ) with Rand’s [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: On George Bailey and Being Humbled &#171; Myself for Him</title>
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		<dc:creator>On George Bailey and Being Humbled &#171; Myself for Him</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Bailey and the protagonist, Howard Roark, of Ayn Rand&#8217;s book, The Fountainhead.  In his essay, he compares the sacrifices of these two men and their purposes: While both represent the artistic, [...]]]></description>
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