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		<title>By: Jimmy halfacre</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/02/08/palins-pin-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8661</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy halfacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Modern America has been in such denial of her roots that we don&#039;t have a clue. America was a
nation founded by people of Christian belief. In
forming our constitution these same people were mindful of the role of all Christians: We
were grafted into the vine and are actually, fellow members of the house of Israel. The promise that the God of Abraham would bless
those who bless the seed of Abraham has been
consistant. Do we turn from them now?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern America has been in such denial of her roots that we don&#8217;t have a clue. America was a<br />
nation founded by people of Christian belief. In<br />
forming our constitution these same people were mindful of the role of all Christians: We<br />
were grafted into the vine and are actually, fellow members of the house of Israel. The promise that the God of Abraham would bless<br />
those who bless the seed of Abraham has been<br />
consistant. Do we turn from them now?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mrs. Jackson,

I want to start by admitting one place where I went too far in my statements about Sarah Palin.  It was unfair of me, and a cheap shot, to suggest that, were she elected President, she might use that position to “nudge along” the end times.  I drew an extreme, unsubstantiated, conclusion based on some speculation by myself, and some of the other people here, regarding Mrs. Palin’s religious beliefs and worldview.  I can understand why you might believe I am a follower of Christopher Hitchens or Andrew Sullivan, when I am, in fact, not.

However, I think that everything else I said regarding Mrs. Palin was well within the bounds of a political discussion.  Mrs. Palin ran for Vice President in 2008 and has said the would consider running for President in 2012.  That makes her subject to scrutiny regarding almost every aspect of her beliefs and her life.  This includes her religious beliefs, at least to the extent that they might have a concrete impact on her actions as a public official.

Both I and some of the other writers here were speculating on whether the fact that Mrs. Palin was wearing both and Israeli and an American flag pin could signify that she believes in a form of Christian Zionism which derives from the theology of dispensationalism or premillenialism.  According to what I have read, a significant minority of U.S. evangelicals believe in some form of dispensationalism.  One consequence of this belief, from a public policy perspective, is that organizations in the U.S. formed around it have provided significant financial and political support to the settler movement in Israel.  These organizations believe they are playing a part in assuring that Israel will play its role in bringing about the end times.  The establishment of the settlements in the West Bank and elsewhere is one of the key issues in the Middle East conflict.

I have not, yet, tried to find out the answers to the questions that myself and others have raised here regarding Mrs. Palin’s specific religious or political beliefs that may pertain to Israel and the Middle East.  But, if and when I do so, I will not turn to either Christopher Hitchens or Andrew Sullivan.  I know that Hitchens, in particular, is opposed to any “religious” belief.  That does not make me hostile towards him, but it means that I would question his reliability on this subject.

I might, time permitting, write a separate comment regarding our disagreements or mutual misunderstanding regarding the meaning of certain key terms such as “virtue” and “intellectual”.  But, I wanted to say at least this much while this article remains “active”.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. Jackson,</p>
<p>I want to start by admitting one place where I went too far in my statements about Sarah Palin.  It was unfair of me, and a cheap shot, to suggest that, were she elected President, she might use that position to “nudge along” the end times.  I drew an extreme, unsubstantiated, conclusion based on some speculation by myself, and some of the other people here, regarding Mrs. Palin’s religious beliefs and worldview.  I can understand why you might believe I am a follower of Christopher Hitchens or Andrew Sullivan, when I am, in fact, not.</p>
<p>However, I think that everything else I said regarding Mrs. Palin was well within the bounds of a political discussion.  Mrs. Palin ran for Vice President in 2008 and has said the would consider running for President in 2012.  That makes her subject to scrutiny regarding almost every aspect of her beliefs and her life.  This includes her religious beliefs, at least to the extent that they might have a concrete impact on her actions as a public official.</p>
<p>Both I and some of the other writers here were speculating on whether the fact that Mrs. Palin was wearing both and Israeli and an American flag pin could signify that she believes in a form of Christian Zionism which derives from the theology of dispensationalism or premillenialism.  According to what I have read, a significant minority of U.S. evangelicals believe in some form of dispensationalism.  One consequence of this belief, from a public policy perspective, is that organizations in the U.S. formed around it have provided significant financial and political support to the settler movement in Israel.  These organizations believe they are playing a part in assuring that Israel will play its role in bringing about the end times.  The establishment of the settlements in the West Bank and elsewhere is one of the key issues in the Middle East conflict.</p>
<p>I have not, yet, tried to find out the answers to the questions that myself and others have raised here regarding Mrs. Palin’s specific religious or political beliefs that may pertain to Israel and the Middle East.  But, if and when I do so, I will not turn to either Christopher Hitchens or Andrew Sullivan.  I know that Hitchens, in particular, is opposed to any “religious” belief.  That does not make me hostile towards him, but it means that I would question his reliability on this subject.</p>
<p>I might, time permitting, write a separate comment regarding our disagreements or mutual misunderstanding regarding the meaning of certain key terms such as “virtue” and “intellectual”.  But, I wanted to say at least this much while this article remains “active”.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because &quot;we are all spiritual Semites&quot;... with apologies to Pope Pius XI.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because &#8220;we are all spiritual Semites&#8221;&#8230; with apologies to Pope Pius XI.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Art Deco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Deco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as I am aware, none of the other allies of the United States you name are the common subject of international condemnations and boycotts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I am aware, none of the other allies of the United States you name are the common subject of international condemnations and boycotts.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter, how delicious that when I point out The Left&#039;s fellow traveling with the Soviet Union and now Palestine causes you to turn around and accuse Sarah Palin of not possessing virtue(s). What is your basis for this accusation? Why my own use -  not Sarah&#039;s use- of the word disdain in connection with intellectuals.  

In this case it should be my lack of virtue you have issues with. Not Sarah&#039;s.  But fear not, my confessor has a similar issues with my lack of virtues and is working hard with me. Hopefully he&#039;ll prevail too. 

Is David Pryce-Jones an intellectual?  He&#039;s intelligent certainly.  Learned most definitely.  But if you use the word intellectual pejoratively like I do, then no.  He&#039;s not an intellectual.

Per:

&quot;and I think she has a legitimate place in American public life&quot;

How big of you.  Obviously your virtue cannot be called into question. 

Per:

&quot;There is a movement among some Protestant churches to actively support the settlement movement in Israel precisely in order to help bring about the end times prophecy to which Leonard refers.&quot;

Let&#039;s get this straight. Sarah Palin is known -thanks largely to Christopher Hitchens and Jeffrey Hart - to possess an extremely dangerous version of protestant religious beliefs. She also said in a Barbara Walters interview that she supported the Israeli settlements, because more Jewish people would be flocking there in the days ahead.  Or something like that. And she wears a pin of the flag of Israel  which all somehow means she&#039;s for the hastening of the end times.  

If this is true, then why is The Left so upset that Sarah Palin is going to run for President in 2012?  Or 2016? How can she?  Won&#039;t she have ended the world by then?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, how delicious that when I point out The Left&#8217;s fellow traveling with the Soviet Union and now Palestine causes you to turn around and accuse Sarah Palin of not possessing virtue(s). What is your basis for this accusation? Why my own use &#8211;  not Sarah&#8217;s use- of the word disdain in connection with intellectuals.  </p>
<p>In this case it should be my lack of virtue you have issues with. Not Sarah&#8217;s.  But fear not, my confessor has a similar issues with my lack of virtues and is working hard with me. Hopefully he&#8217;ll prevail too. </p>
<p>Is David Pryce-Jones an intellectual?  He&#8217;s intelligent certainly.  Learned most definitely.  But if you use the word intellectual pejoratively like I do, then no.  He&#8217;s not an intellectual.</p>
<p>Per:</p>
<p>&#8220;and I think she has a legitimate place in American public life&#8221;</p>
<p>How big of you.  Obviously your virtue cannot be called into question. </p>
<p>Per:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a movement among some Protestant churches to actively support the settlement movement in Israel precisely in order to help bring about the end times prophecy to which Leonard refers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get this straight. Sarah Palin is known -thanks largely to Christopher Hitchens and Jeffrey Hart &#8211; to possess an extremely dangerous version of protestant religious beliefs. She also said in a Barbara Walters interview that she supported the Israeli settlements, because more Jewish people would be flocking there in the days ahead.  Or something like that. And she wears a pin of the flag of Israel  which all somehow means she&#8217;s for the hastening of the end times.  </p>
<p>If this is true, then why is The Left so upset that Sarah Palin is going to run for President in 2012?  Or 2016? How can she?  Won&#8217;t she have ended the world by then?</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hats off to Jeff Peterson&#039;s comment #2 above. I carry no brief for flag pins in general. But Palin&#039;s makes a point that is too easily forgotten--that Israel is an outpost of Western civilization amidst the enemies of the West. Israel is our canary in the mine. If Israel succumbs, or is allowed to succumb, to the lethal pressures around it, the rest of us will follow soon enough. And Americans seem to grasp that more clearly than other Westerners. So, yes, an American flag conjoined with an Israeli one seems right. It is a defiant symbol at a time when defiance bears more grace than we grant it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hats off to Jeff Peterson&#8217;s comment #2 above. I carry no brief for flag pins in general. But Palin&#8217;s makes a point that is too easily forgotten&#8211;that Israel is an outpost of Western civilization amidst the enemies of the West. Israel is our canary in the mine. If Israel succumbs, or is allowed to succumb, to the lethal pressures around it, the rest of us will follow soon enough. And Americans seem to grasp that more clearly than other Westerners. So, yes, an American flag conjoined with an Israeli one seems right. It is a defiant symbol at a time when defiance bears more grace than we grant it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Degan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Degan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, but if Sarah Palin is the candidate for president three years from now, It is going to make my life a whole hell of a lot easier. If she wins it will make my life a dream come true. As a blogger, I will never again have to touch my computer keyboard. These things will write themselves.

I know this sounds exceedingly selfish on my part and I am embarrassed to say it in so public a forum. I hope she never goes away. For the self-described political satirist, she is the gift that keeps giving and giving and giving....

I&#039;m so ashamed.

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com 

Tom Degan
Goshen NY]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but if Sarah Palin is the candidate for president three years from now, It is going to make my life a whole hell of a lot easier. If she wins it will make my life a dream come true. As a blogger, I will never again have to touch my computer keyboard. These things will write themselves.</p>
<p>I know this sounds exceedingly selfish on my part and I am embarrassed to say it in so public a forum. I hope she never goes away. For the self-described political satirist, she is the gift that keeps giving and giving and giving&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so ashamed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com</a> </p>
<p>Tom Degan<br />
Goshen NY</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;But if that is true, why not a pin with Great Britain or Canada? &gt;&gt;

Maybe because she sees Israel as an ally under attack, and the others are not?  (Although I could argue that GB is not only under attack, but nearly defeated.  They&#039;re not resisting, though)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;But if that is true, why not a pin with Great Britain or Canada? &gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Maybe because she sees Israel as an ally under attack, and the others are not?  (Although I could argue that GB is not only under attack, but nearly defeated.  They&#8217;re not resisting, though)</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Coyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Coyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deborah,

Will Palin have the answer inked onto her telepalmter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah,</p>
<p>Will Palin have the answer inked onto her telepalmter?</p>
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