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		<title>By: JonathanR.</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/04/02/the-2010-tournament-of-novels-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-11352</link>
		<dc:creator>JonathanR.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I know some people who think of TWL, in the field of poetry, in a similar way.&quot;

Yeah, TWL was hard to get through. I understand that Ezra Pound had a fit when asked by his former protege to edit it. I&#039;m more forgiving of it though because it is poetry, and serves a different purpose from the novel. Besides, I like Eliot&#039;s essays. :)

I&#039;ve never heard of &quot;The Anathematha&quot; though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I know some people who think of TWL, in the field of poetry, in a similar way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, TWL was hard to get through. I understand that Ezra Pound had a fit when asked by his former protege to edit it. I&#8217;m more forgiving of it though because it is poetry, and serves a different purpose from the novel. Besides, I like Eliot&#8217;s essays. :)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of &#8220;The Anathematha&#8221; though.</p>
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		<title>By: Emina Melonic</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/04/02/the-2010-tournament-of-novels-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-11349</link>
		<dc:creator>Emina Melonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting..thanks, Craig.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting..thanks, Craig.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jones is British (Welsh), and the poem is partially a history of the British Isles, Welsh mythology, the introduction of Christianity into Britain, and the Mass.  He is, I think, one of the greatest of the least-known poets.  But I&#039;m about a third Welsh, so I&#039;m biased.

I like Eliot a lot, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jones is British (Welsh), and the poem is partially a history of the British Isles, Welsh mythology, the introduction of Christianity into Britain, and the Mass.  He is, I think, one of the greatest of the least-known poets.  But I&#8217;m about a third Welsh, so I&#8217;m biased.</p>
<p>I like Eliot a lot, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Emina Melonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emina Melonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, I have never heard of David Jones&#039; book-length poem you mention...American? British? Irish?

And also: although not a great poetry reader, I can&#039;t help but enjoy T.S. Eliot.  For whatever reason, words he writes make perfect sense to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, I have never heard of David Jones&#8217; book-length poem you mention&#8230;American? British? Irish?</p>
<p>And also: although not a great poetry reader, I can&#8217;t help but enjoy T.S. Eliot.  For whatever reason, words he writes make perfect sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/04/02/the-2010-tournament-of-novels-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-11333</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I still stand by my assertion that Joyce’s writing style (along with stream of consciousness writing in general) is modernist literature’s biggest middle finger to the normal reader.&quot;

Well--longest, anyway.  :)

Interesting that both &quot;Ulysses&quot; and &quot;The Waste Land&quot; were published in the same year.  I know some people who think of TWL, in the field of poetry, in a similar way.

If anyone is still reading these comments, I&#039;d be interested to hear reactions to David Jones&#039; book-length poem &quot;The Anathemata&quot; from anyone who has read it, or tried to read it.  (Again, I will say up front that I thought it was brilliant, but I understand contrary reactions.  It is also one of those works which do not seem to be &quot;translatable&quot; into anything but English.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I still stand by my assertion that Joyce’s writing style (along with stream of consciousness writing in general) is modernist literature’s biggest middle finger to the normal reader.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well&#8211;longest, anyway.  :)</p>
<p>Interesting that both &#8220;Ulysses&#8221; and &#8220;The Waste Land&#8221; were published in the same year.  I know some people who think of TWL, in the field of poetry, in a similar way.</p>
<p>If anyone is still reading these comments, I&#8217;d be interested to hear reactions to David Jones&#8217; book-length poem &#8220;The Anathemata&#8221; from anyone who has read it, or tried to read it.  (Again, I will say up front that I thought it was brilliant, but I understand contrary reactions.  It is also one of those works which do not seem to be &#8220;translatable&#8221; into anything but English.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Tournament &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/04/02/the-2010-tournament-of-novels-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-11325</link>
		<dc:creator>The Other Tournament &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] by First Things&#8217; Tournament of Novels? The Morning News put on a similar tournament of books published last year. The only entrant [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: JonathanR.</title>
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		<dc:creator>JonathanR.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, I would laugh along with anybody who calls the LOTR trilogy &#039;&#039;movies about walking&#039;&#039;. I found LOTR hard to read at first too. But it got better further in. The deeper I got into Ulysses, the more I wanted to strangle my lit prof for making me read it. I took one look at the first page of FW, then stopped.

I&#039;m happy you understood both of those works and found something to love about them, but I still stand by my assertion that Joyce&#039;s writing style (along with stream of consciousness writing in general) is modernist literature&#039;s biggest middle finger to the normal reader. 

Furthermore, its not the Irishness that made Joyce inaccessible for me. Dostoevsky was very Russian, but at no point did I feel like an idiot reading Crime and Punishment. I can live with not getting a cultural reference. What I can&#039;t stand is a novel that makes me feel like I&#039;m illiterate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, I would laugh along with anybody who calls the LOTR trilogy &#8221;movies about walking&#8221;. I found LOTR hard to read at first too. But it got better further in. The deeper I got into Ulysses, the more I wanted to strangle my lit prof for making me read it. I took one look at the first page of FW, then stopped.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy you understood both of those works and found something to love about them, but I still stand by my assertion that Joyce&#8217;s writing style (along with stream of consciousness writing in general) is modernist literature&#8217;s biggest middle finger to the normal reader. </p>
<p>Furthermore, its not the Irishness that made Joyce inaccessible for me. Dostoevsky was very Russian, but at no point did I feel like an idiot reading Crime and Punishment. I can live with not getting a cultural reference. What I can&#8217;t stand is a novel that makes me feel like I&#8217;m illiterate.</p>
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		<title>By: Emina Melonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emina Melonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, thanks for your comment. After I read it, I realized also another thing about Joyce: one truly has to understand the Irish heritage and history to understand Joyce.  Otherwise, some things will be meaningless. And also Joyce&#039;s own love/hate relationship with Ireland.  Either way, Craig, thanks for continuing the dialogue!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, thanks for your comment. After I read it, I realized also another thing about Joyce: one truly has to understand the Irish heritage and history to understand Joyce.  Otherwise, some things will be meaningless. And also Joyce&#8217;s own love/hate relationship with Ireland.  Either way, Craig, thanks for continuing the dialogue!</p>
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		<title>By: David_notascynical</title>
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		<dc:creator>David_notascynical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mellville, Moby Dick

Can&#039;t argue with greatness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mellville, Moby Dick</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t argue with greatness.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/04/02/the-2010-tournament-of-novels-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-11249</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.S. Jonathan and Emina, I agree about Dante.  Incomparable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Jonathan and Emina, I agree about Dante.  Incomparable.</p>
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