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		<title>By: Siger of Brabant</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/04/14/why-all-the-fuss/comment-page-1/#comment-12082</link>
		<dc:creator>Siger of Brabant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who writes something so crude and hurtful about someone&#039;s long-dead mother and her marriage is certainly unfit to edit a magazine that purports to present a religious worldview.  Goldman should go.  Spit vitriol as &quot;Spengler&quot; if you want, but the idea that the hate-filled &quot;Spengler&quot; could edit &quot;First Things&quot; never made sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who writes something so crude and hurtful about someone&#8217;s long-dead mother and her marriage is certainly unfit to edit a magazine that purports to present a religious worldview.  Goldman should go.  Spit vitriol as &#8220;Spengler&#8221; if you want, but the idea that the hate-filled &#8220;Spengler&#8221; could edit &#8220;First Things&#8221; never made sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Krakow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krakow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Until Sunday morning it seemed as if Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, was under attack from everybody in the world except his mother. Then it all changed. Zila Netanyahu, 84, said in an interview that her son&#039;s actions made her feel embarrassed rather than proud. She particularly objected to his release of Palestinian prisoners and said peace with the Arabs was &quot;preposterous&quot;.    -----Patrick Cockburn (1997)    

Should we infer that Zila did not bed with Muslim Third World men or is it more prudent to investigate?  Paradoxical but unsurprising is that by the yardstick of the Y chromosome, the world&#039;s Jewish communities are closely related to Syrians and Palestinians, suggesting that all are descended from a common ancestral population that inhabited the Middle East some four thousand years ago.  Maybe Bibi is disinclined to peace negotiations with people of his common ancestry because of his mother&#039;s influence who did or did not bed with Arabs.  If she did not, then her animosity towards Arabs might be the result of her not being able to taste the forbidden fruit.  Maybe David Goldman’s mother has a theory of her own about Zila.  It is certainly worth a cursory check because it might also explain why Bibi is thought to be a liar.

Ariel Sharon, his own Infrastructure Minister and architect of his victory in the election last May, was quoted last week as telling a group of Israeli settlers: &quot;Bibi Netanyahu is a dangerous man for the state of Israel. I do not believe one word that leaves that man&#039;s mouth.&quot;  -----Patrick Cockburn (1997)

...Referenced &quot;Cockburn&quot; because it seems so fitting.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until Sunday morning it seemed as if Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, was under attack from everybody in the world except his mother. Then it all changed. Zila Netanyahu, 84, said in an interview that her son&#8217;s actions made her feel embarrassed rather than proud. She particularly objected to his release of Palestinian prisoners and said peace with the Arabs was &#8220;preposterous&#8221;.    &#8212;&#8211;Patrick Cockburn (1997)    </p>
<p>Should we infer that Zila did not bed with Muslim Third World men or is it more prudent to investigate?  Paradoxical but unsurprising is that by the yardstick of the Y chromosome, the world&#8217;s Jewish communities are closely related to Syrians and Palestinians, suggesting that all are descended from a common ancestral population that inhabited the Middle East some four thousand years ago.  Maybe Bibi is disinclined to peace negotiations with people of his common ancestry because of his mother&#8217;s influence who did or did not bed with Arabs.  If she did not, then her animosity towards Arabs might be the result of her not being able to taste the forbidden fruit.  Maybe David Goldman’s mother has a theory of her own about Zila.  It is certainly worth a cursory check because it might also explain why Bibi is thought to be a liar.</p>
<p>Ariel Sharon, his own Infrastructure Minister and architect of his victory in the election last May, was quoted last week as telling a group of Israeli settlers: &#8220;Bibi Netanyahu is a dangerous man for the state of Israel. I do not believe one word that leaves that man&#8217;s mouth.&#8221;  &#8212;&#8211;Patrick Cockburn (1997)</p>
<p>&#8230;Referenced &#8220;Cockburn&#8221; because it seems so fitting.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: JWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>JWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Borderline Conditions and Pathological Narcissism
Otto F. Kernberg, M.D.
Jason Aronson, Inc. - New York, 1975

p.234-235:

Chronically cold parental figures with covert but intense aggression are a very frequent feature of the background of these patients. A composite picture of a number of cases that I have been able to examine or to treat shows consistently a parental figure, usually the mother or a mother surrogate, who functions well on the surface in a superficially well-organized home, but with a degree of callousness, indifference, and nonverbalized, spiteful aggression. When intense oral frustration, resentment, and aggression have developed in the child within such an environment, the first condition is laid for his need to defend himself against extreme envy and hatred. In addition, these patients present some quite specific features which distinguish them from other borderline patients. Their histories reveal that each patient possessed some inherent quality which could have objectively aroused the envy or admiration of others. For example, unusual physical attractiveness or some special talent became a refuge against the basic feelings of being unloved and of being the objects of revengeful hatred. Sometimes it was rather the cold hostile mother&#039;s narcissistic use of the child which made him &quot;special,&quot; set him off on the road in a search for compensatory admiration and greatness, and fostered the characterological defense of spiteful devaluation of others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Borderline Conditions and Pathological Narcissism<br />
Otto F. Kernberg, M.D.<br />
Jason Aronson, Inc. &#8211; New York, 1975</p>
<p>p.234-235:</p>
<p>Chronically cold parental figures with covert but intense aggression are a very frequent feature of the background of these patients. A composite picture of a number of cases that I have been able to examine or to treat shows consistently a parental figure, usually the mother or a mother surrogate, who functions well on the surface in a superficially well-organized home, but with a degree of callousness, indifference, and nonverbalized, spiteful aggression. When intense oral frustration, resentment, and aggression have developed in the child within such an environment, the first condition is laid for his need to defend himself against extreme envy and hatred. In addition, these patients present some quite specific features which distinguish them from other borderline patients. Their histories reveal that each patient possessed some inherent quality which could have objectively aroused the envy or admiration of others. For example, unusual physical attractiveness or some special talent became a refuge against the basic feelings of being unloved and of being the objects of revengeful hatred. Sometimes it was rather the cold hostile mother&#8217;s narcissistic use of the child which made him &#8220;special,&#8221; set him off on the road in a search for compensatory admiration and greatness, and fostered the characterological defense of spiteful devaluation of others.</p>
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		<title>By: oao</title>
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		<dc:creator>oao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hereby another piece which supports Goldman&#039;s maternal hypothesis:

A Jewish Frankenstein
http://www.forward.com/articles/127217/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hereby another piece which supports Goldman&#8217;s maternal hypothesis:</p>
<p>A Jewish Frankenstein<br />
<a href="http://www.forward.com/articles/127217/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forward.com/articles/127217/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rhinestone Suderman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhinestone Suderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, among other things, Other Steve, it&#039;s too bad, because:

The American people are now saddled with a bloated, unsustainable national health care plan.  The American economy has changed to a socialist one, which won&#039;t be good for the future.  

Obama makes a habit of trying to appease enemies, such as Iran, while insulting allies like Israel and Canada.  (He even managed to diss the Dalai Lama!)

Failed plans like the cash for clunkers, and the stimulus program, which haven&#039;t worked, and which have put us more deeply in debt.  

And, many other things I don&#039;t have time to do into now.  In short, yes, the presidency has been a disaster.  I suspect you, however, find it all a success, in which case there&#039;s no arguing with you.  

There&#039;s also no arguing with those who see Obama as being above criticism.  I don&#039;t consider him a monster; I consider him a bad president.  You, however, seem to think him beyond any sort of criticism, or disagreement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, among other things, Other Steve, it&#8217;s too bad, because:</p>
<p>The American people are now saddled with a bloated, unsustainable national health care plan.  The American economy has changed to a socialist one, which won&#8217;t be good for the future.  </p>
<p>Obama makes a habit of trying to appease enemies, such as Iran, while insulting allies like Israel and Canada.  (He even managed to diss the Dalai Lama!)</p>
<p>Failed plans like the cash for clunkers, and the stimulus program, which haven&#8217;t worked, and which have put us more deeply in debt.  </p>
<p>And, many other things I don&#8217;t have time to do into now.  In short, yes, the presidency has been a disaster.  I suspect you, however, find it all a success, in which case there&#8217;s no arguing with you.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also no arguing with those who see Obama as being above criticism.  I don&#8217;t consider him a monster; I consider him a bad president.  You, however, seem to think him beyond any sort of criticism, or disagreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg, 4/14 at 1:55: Microfinance not exactly the stuff of socialism?  Well, yes - exactly the stuff of socialism.  Or, more accurately, cell-based communisim accompanied by feminist social engineering in the undeveloped world.

Have you heard of the Grameen Foundation and the Sixteen Decisions?
http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=215&amp;sortorder=articledate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, 4/14 at 1:55: Microfinance not exactly the stuff of socialism?  Well, yes &#8211; exactly the stuff of socialism.  Or, more accurately, cell-based communisim accompanied by feminist social engineering in the undeveloped world.</p>
<p>Have you heard of the Grameen Foundation and the Sixteen Decisions?<br />
<a href="http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=215&#038;sortorder=articledate" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=215&#038;sortorder=articledate</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks David, a good response and as always, to the point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David, a good response and as always, to the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Punditarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Punditarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Other Steve,

As Thomas Sowell said in an interview with Peter Robinson, the election of John McCain would have been a disaster; the election of Barack Obama is a catastrophe.   What is the nature of that catastrophe?  Very simple.  Even without the President&#039;s disastrous foreign policy innovations, his economic policies mean the destruction of the American economy.  Now when the American economy chokes on its debt, its over-regulation, and the shortsightedness and corruption of the bureaucrats who run it, the result will not be the same as the collapse of the Argentine or Greek economy.  When the American economy goes down the toilet, it will take the rest of the world with it.  And the collapse of all of the economies which depend on the engine of the American economy in order to keep grinding poverty at bay means war across Asia, the Middle East, and Europe on a scale that you can not imagine.  There will descend on the world a dark age to make the dark age of medieval Europe seem positively bright and sunny by comparison.  David Goldman has been writing about the danger of this situation for years, at the Asia Times.  It is an awful shame to see it finally come to pass because willfully self-indulgent and self-deceiving American voters decided that they were the ones they were waiting for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other Steve,</p>
<p>As Thomas Sowell said in an interview with Peter Robinson, the election of John McCain would have been a disaster; the election of Barack Obama is a catastrophe.   What is the nature of that catastrophe?  Very simple.  Even without the President&#8217;s disastrous foreign policy innovations, his economic policies mean the destruction of the American economy.  Now when the American economy chokes on its debt, its over-regulation, and the shortsightedness and corruption of the bureaucrats who run it, the result will not be the same as the collapse of the Argentine or Greek economy.  When the American economy goes down the toilet, it will take the rest of the world with it.  And the collapse of all of the economies which depend on the engine of the American economy in order to keep grinding poverty at bay means war across Asia, the Middle East, and Europe on a scale that you can not imagine.  There will descend on the world a dark age to make the dark age of medieval Europe seem positively bright and sunny by comparison.  David Goldman has been writing about the danger of this situation for years, at the Asia Times.  It is an awful shame to see it finally come to pass because willfully self-indulgent and self-deceiving American voters decided that they were the ones they were waiting for.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Dietz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Dietz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems quite clear that both John Podhoretz did not read Goldman carefully and that Goldman enjoys both racing and tipping sailboats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems quite clear that both John Podhoretz did not read Goldman carefully and that Goldman enjoys both racing and tipping sailboats.</p>
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		<title>By: Other Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Other Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is it too bad, Rhinestone Suderman?  One thing I don&#039;t understand is the reason why people who stoop to vile slander against the current president simply assume that a great disaster has occurred as a result of people not heeding the slander.

What exactly is the disaster into which the American people have walked?  I&#039;m not saying that Obama is perfect or that his policy decisions are not debatable, but I&#039;m having a great deal of trouble getting inside the heads of those who find it axiomatic that he is a monster.  Is there perhaps some sort of projection going on here?  I wouldn&#039;t leap to that conjecture if there was some more plausible explanation of the bile, but I can&#039;t think of one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it too bad, Rhinestone Suderman?  One thing I don&#8217;t understand is the reason why people who stoop to vile slander against the current president simply assume that a great disaster has occurred as a result of people not heeding the slander.</p>
<p>What exactly is the disaster into which the American people have walked?  I&#8217;m not saying that Obama is perfect or that his policy decisions are not debatable, but I&#8217;m having a great deal of trouble getting inside the heads of those who find it axiomatic that he is a monster.  Is there perhaps some sort of projection going on here?  I wouldn&#8217;t leap to that conjecture if there was some more plausible explanation of the bile, but I can&#8217;t think of one.</p>
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