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	<title>Comments on: Cardinal Kasper: Church Was &#8220;Too Feeble&#8221; to Resist Persecution of Jews</title>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Wilensky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel Wilensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Goldman states that &quot;What matters more than the speculation about just what Pius XII did or should have done is the future.&quot; I beg to disagree. Not knowing or disregarding the past is a sure way to repeat the same errors in the future. I thorough understanding of the Church&#039;s relationship with the Jews and Judaism, including what the Church did and didn&#039;t do during the Holocaust, followed by the appropriate remedial measures, is a necessary precondition for a lasting, fruitful brotherly relationship between the two faiths.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Goldman states that &#8220;What matters more than the speculation about just what Pius XII did or should have done is the future.&#8221; I beg to disagree. Not knowing or disregarding the past is a sure way to repeat the same errors in the future. I thorough understanding of the Church&#8217;s relationship with the Jews and Judaism, including what the Church did and didn&#8217;t do during the Holocaust, followed by the appropriate remedial measures, is a necessary precondition for a lasting, fruitful brotherly relationship between the two faiths.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 06:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nicholas,

I would have to read up some more before responding to the points you make in your first two paragraphs.

Regarding the third paragraph about John&#039;s gospel, that is interesting.  I would want to read more in order to better understand the significance of that.  Under any circumstances, the translations I have read, or, more significantly, heard from the pews, seem to use &quot;the Jews&quot;.  Even if I could arrive at a more precise or sophisticated understanding for myself, I would still want priests to provide more commentary about this in their homilies.  In fact, it might make me more of a nag about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas,</p>
<p>I would have to read up some more before responding to the points you make in your first two paragraphs.</p>
<p>Regarding the third paragraph about John&#8217;s gospel, that is interesting.  I would want to read more in order to better understand the significance of that.  Under any circumstances, the translations I have read, or, more significantly, heard from the pews, seem to use &#8220;the Jews&#8221;.  Even if I could arrive at a more precise or sophisticated understanding for myself, I would still want priests to provide more commentary about this in their homilies.  In fact, it might make me more of a nag about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Frankovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Frankovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 21:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter S distinguishes between &quot;les juifs&quot; and &quot;les israelis.&quot; His view is that the Church has a deep connection to the former but not necessarily to the latter. I wonder, though, whether the truth is actually the opposite. In both the Pentateuch and in St. Paul, God&#039;s covenant is with Israel.

The term &quot;Jews,&quot; referring either to members of the tribe of Israel or to citizens of the nation-state of Judah, relates to the division of the Davidic kingdom Israel into a southern (Judah) and a northern (Israel) kingdom.

By the way, Peter S, much of the difficulty you indicate you have with the Gospel of John can be resolved if, instead of accepting the common translation of the Greek &quot;Ioudaios&quot; as &quot;Jews&quot; or &quot;Jewish,&quot; you remember that it could also mean (and, I think, more plausibly means, at least in most cases in the New Testament) &quot;Judeans&quot; or &quot;Judean.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter S distinguishes between &#8220;les juifs&#8221; and &#8220;les israelis.&#8221; His view is that the Church has a deep connection to the former but not necessarily to the latter. I wonder, though, whether the truth is actually the opposite. In both the Pentateuch and in St. Paul, God&#8217;s covenant is with Israel.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;Jews,&#8221; referring either to members of the tribe of Israel or to citizens of the nation-state of Judah, relates to the division of the Davidic kingdom Israel into a southern (Judah) and a northern (Israel) kingdom.</p>
<p>By the way, Peter S, much of the difficulty you indicate you have with the Gospel of John can be resolved if, instead of accepting the common translation of the Greek &#8220;Ioudaios&#8221; as &#8220;Jews&#8221; or &#8220;Jewish,&#8221; you remember that it could also mean (and, I think, more plausibly means, at least in most cases in the New Testament) &#8220;Judeans&#8221; or &#8220;Judean.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Frankovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Frankovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 19:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many Old Testament figures are saints in the Catholic Church. In the liturgical calendar, Saint Abraham, for example, has his day on October 9; Saint Moses, September 4; Saint David, December 29. Except for a few Solemnities (Annunciation, Christmas), though, every day has several saints, and in practice the Old Testament saint gets buried at the bottom of the list of saints for that day.

Where are the local churches named for Saint Elijah (July 20), Saint Samuel (August 20), or Saint David of Bethlehem? Where are the popular devotions to these saints? Nowhere, the answer to both of these questions appears to be.

So much of the Church&#039;s Jewish heritage has been stowed away up in the attic. When we unpack it and begin to use it again, as I gather Cardinal Kasper is suggesting we do, the graces we will enjoy and the power and the glory that the world will see in this development -- I think it will be literally awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Old Testament figures are saints in the Catholic Church. In the liturgical calendar, Saint Abraham, for example, has his day on October 9; Saint Moses, September 4; Saint David, December 29. Except for a few Solemnities (Annunciation, Christmas), though, every day has several saints, and in practice the Old Testament saint gets buried at the bottom of the list of saints for that day.</p>
<p>Where are the local churches named for Saint Elijah (July 20), Saint Samuel (August 20), or Saint David of Bethlehem? Where are the popular devotions to these saints? Nowhere, the answer to both of these questions appears to be.</p>
<p>So much of the Church&#8217;s Jewish heritage has been stowed away up in the attic. When we unpack it and begin to use it again, as I gather Cardinal Kasper is suggesting we do, the graces we will enjoy and the power and the glory that the world will see in this development &#8212; I think it will be literally awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, et. al.,

Ars Artium&#039;s comment comes pretty close to expressing my view on the relationship between the biblical Israel and the modern nation state of Israel.  God&#039;s covenant is with the people of Israel, no matter where they are located geographically.  That does not mean that I oppose the existence of the state of Israel.  It does mean that I consider Israel to be just as subject to scrutiny and criticism as any other nation state.  I do not believe that God gives a &quot;favored nation status&quot; to any modern state, be it the U.S. or Israel.

I suppose that, to be consistent, I would have to add to that list the Vatican.  If, for some reason, the Vatican ceased to be, the Pope could relocate to, say, a condo development on the outskirts of Sioux Falls, SD, and we would still have the Church.

Many years ago I lived in France, and my best friend was a bright, thoughtful man from Morocco.  He had grown up exposed to a lot of anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli propaganda, but he was also critical of the government that emitted that propaganda and was generally skeptical about politics.  He would sometimes complain about Israel by speaking of &quot;les juifs&quot;.  I discussed with him the distinction between the Jewish people and the Jewish faith and the state of Israel.  After that, at least around me, he focused his complaints on &quot;les israelis&quot;.

I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the U.S. and other nations had offered themselves as places of asylum to the many Jewish refugees from the Nazi regime who tried but failed to escape for lack of a place to go.  The state of Israel might still have come into being, but perhaps its existence might not have become so equated with the survival of the Jewish people.

These are difficult issues to discuss.  I hope that anyone who might take offense at what I have said will give me the benefit of the doubt.  We only know one another through these words we write on our screens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, et. al.,</p>
<p>Ars Artium&#8217;s comment comes pretty close to expressing my view on the relationship between the biblical Israel and the modern nation state of Israel.  God&#8217;s covenant is with the people of Israel, no matter where they are located geographically.  That does not mean that I oppose the existence of the state of Israel.  It does mean that I consider Israel to be just as subject to scrutiny and criticism as any other nation state.  I do not believe that God gives a &#8220;favored nation status&#8221; to any modern state, be it the U.S. or Israel.</p>
<p>I suppose that, to be consistent, I would have to add to that list the Vatican.  If, for some reason, the Vatican ceased to be, the Pope could relocate to, say, a condo development on the outskirts of Sioux Falls, SD, and we would still have the Church.</p>
<p>Many years ago I lived in France, and my best friend was a bright, thoughtful man from Morocco.  He had grown up exposed to a lot of anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli propaganda, but he was also critical of the government that emitted that propaganda and was generally skeptical about politics.  He would sometimes complain about Israel by speaking of &#8220;les juifs&#8221;.  I discussed with him the distinction between the Jewish people and the Jewish faith and the state of Israel.  After that, at least around me, he focused his complaints on &#8220;les israelis&#8221;.</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the U.S. and other nations had offered themselves as places of asylum to the many Jewish refugees from the Nazi regime who tried but failed to escape for lack of a place to go.  The state of Israel might still have come into being, but perhaps its existence might not have become so equated with the survival of the Jewish people.</p>
<p>These are difficult issues to discuss.  I hope that anyone who might take offense at what I have said will give me the benefit of the doubt.  We only know one another through these words we write on our screens.</p>
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		<title>By: Krakow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krakow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 15:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those who have been wounded by the sins and failings of those in authority in time of war -- may God heal you.  For those who are leveraging those wounds to attempt to start another war --  may Galore not lead you too far astray.

China said it remains a long-term investor in Europe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who have been wounded by the sins and failings of those in authority in time of war &#8212; may God heal you.  For those who are leveraging those wounds to attempt to start another war &#8212;  may Galore not lead you too far astray.</p>
<p>China said it remains a long-term investor in Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Ars Artium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ars Artium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 12:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thought:  The nation of Israel does not require land for existence.  It exists in God as does the Church.  This does not minimize the horrors that can occur and have occured when it has no place from which to defend itself.  Still, God&#039;s promise remains:  &quot;But hear, now, O Jacob My servant, Israel whom I have chosen!  Thus said the Lord, your Maker, Your Creator who has helped you since birth:  Fear not, My servant Jacob ...&quot;  Isa. 44:1-2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thought:  The nation of Israel does not require land for existence.  It exists in God as does the Church.  This does not minimize the horrors that can occur and have occured when it has no place from which to defend itself.  Still, God&#8217;s promise remains:  &#8220;But hear, now, O Jacob My servant, Israel whom I have chosen!  Thus said the Lord, your Maker, Your Creator who has helped you since birth:  Fear not, My servant Jacob &#8230;&#8221;  Isa. 44:1-2</p>
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		<title>By: Morning Catholic must-reads &#171; Editor&#39;s Briefing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morning Catholic must-reads &#171; Editor&#39;s Briefing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 06:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Goldman reacts to Cardinal Walter Kasper&#8217;s comments about the Church&#8217;s role in World War [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Goldman reacts to Cardinal Walter Kasper&#8217;s comments about the Church&#8217;s role in World War [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 05:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,

I tried to read the article, but it is only available to current FT subscribers (I did not renew an earlier subscription because I could get it at a local store, until recently at least.)  So, I can&#039;t respond directly to that particular article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I tried to read the article, but it is only available to current FT subscribers (I did not renew an earlier subscription because I could get it at a local store, until recently at least.)  So, I can&#8217;t respond directly to that particular article.</p>
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		<title>By: Krakow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krakow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 22:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The kindergarten teacher at St. Teresa&#039;s asked me today if I had a recommendation for an end-of-the-year field trip for the kids.  I recommended a Guilt Trip to the David &quot;Galore&quot; Goldman theme park with a stop at the sky-is-falling ice cream parlor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kindergarten teacher at St. Teresa&#8217;s asked me today if I had a recommendation for an end-of-the-year field trip for the kids.  I recommended a Guilt Trip to the David &#8220;Galore&#8221; Goldman theme park with a stop at the sky-is-falling ice cream parlor.</p>
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