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		<title>By: Krakow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krakow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 02:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Netanyahu bragged how he undercut the peace process when he was prime minister during the Clinton administration. In December of 2008, Z-Big called Joe Scarborough &#039;stunningly superficial&#039;, on the show, as Joe revealed his stunningly superficial understanding of the peace process when Clinton left office. All that over a trifling piece of paper such as a peace agreement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Netanyahu bragged how he undercut the peace process when he was prime minister during the Clinton administration. In December of 2008, Z-Big called Joe Scarborough &#8216;stunningly superficial&#8217;, on the show, as Joe revealed his stunningly superficial understanding of the peace process when Clinton left office. All that over a trifling piece of paper such as a peace agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My goodness it&#039;s getting harder and harder to figure out where your writings are going to pop up next. Is there a reason these are not cataloged on the Spengler forum?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness it&#8217;s getting harder and harder to figure out where your writings are going to pop up next. Is there a reason these are not cataloged on the Spengler forum?</p>
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		<title>By: That Damn Flotilla &#8211; Jew-Haters All &#171; Should I Paint this Picture of Muhammad?</title>
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		<dc:creator>That Damn Flotilla &#8211; Jew-Haters All &#171; Should I Paint this Picture of Muhammad?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Some flotilla backfiring, David Goldman (First Things)            Categories: Uncategorized Tags: aid Gaza, Allah, anti-semitism, anti-swemitism, Archangel Gabriel, blockade, FLOTILLA, Free Gaza, gaza, gaza flotilla, humanitarian aid, IDF, Islamist Turkey, israel, Israel Defense Force, Issrael, jew hatred, jihad, Judea, Muhammad, Muhammad Painting, Obama, Obama and Israel, Obama and Jews, President Obama are you an islamist?, President Obama did anhyone in the White House help plan the Gaza Flotilla?, President Obama do you care that Turkey has gone islamist?, President Obama how deep was the Whitew House involved in the Gaza Flotilla?, President Obama why do you hate Israel?, President Obama why do you hate Jews?, Samaria, sharia, TUrkey, war on Gaza, war on Israel       Comments (0) Trackbacks (0) Leave a comment Trackback [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some flotilla backfiring, David Goldman (First Things)            Categories: Uncategorized Tags: aid Gaza, Allah, anti-semitism, anti-swemitism, Archangel Gabriel, blockade, FLOTILLA, Free Gaza, gaza, gaza flotilla, humanitarian aid, IDF, Islamist Turkey, israel, Israel Defense Force, Issrael, jew hatred, jihad, Judea, Muhammad, Muhammad Painting, Obama, Obama and Israel, Obama and Jews, President Obama are you an islamist?, President Obama did anhyone in the White House help plan the Gaza Flotilla?, President Obama do you care that Turkey has gone islamist?, President Obama how deep was the Whitew House involved in the Gaza Flotilla?, President Obama why do you hate Israel?, President Obama why do you hate Jews?, Samaria, sharia, TUrkey, war on Gaza, war on Israel       Comments (0) Trackbacks (0) Leave a comment Trackback [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Windhorst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Goldman,

Pardon me, but I don&#039;t see the &quot;baiting&quot; you accuse me. I don&#039;t think, that I wrote anything against Israel; I just stated, that the current split between Israel and Turkey is a worsening for Israel. Or do you mean something different?

BTW the situation in Spain is extraordinary bad and worst throughout the EU. The situation in the more northern located European countries isn&#039;t that bad. I am currently in the end of my studies and all of my friends, who finished already, got a job within one quarter year. It is the Club Med who is really hit hard.

Your expectations about Germany&#039;s future are of course a frightening realistic scenario, which I hope and pray, will not turn real, as the Celts on the Continent were not the most successful people in history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Goldman,</p>
<p>Pardon me, but I don&#8217;t see the &#8220;baiting&#8221; you accuse me. I don&#8217;t think, that I wrote anything against Israel; I just stated, that the current split between Israel and Turkey is a worsening for Israel. Or do you mean something different?</p>
<p>BTW the situation in Spain is extraordinary bad and worst throughout the EU. The situation in the more northern located European countries isn&#8217;t that bad. I am currently in the end of my studies and all of my friends, who finished already, got a job within one quarter year. It is the Club Med who is really hit hard.</p>
<p>Your expectations about Germany&#8217;s future are of course a frightening realistic scenario, which I hope and pray, will not turn real, as the Celts on the Continent were not the most successful people in history.</p>
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		<title>By: David Goldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Windhorst,
Your Israel-baiting is ill-informed: the biggest losers in the Gaza flotilla affair were America&#039;s Arab allies, starting with Egypt, whom Turkey is trying to replace as the hegemonic Sunni power. Egypt after all keeps the Gaza blockade in place, and Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, which wants to overthrow Mubarak&#039;s quasi-secular government. 

I don&#039;t expect the EU to move East. I expect Germany to point East and ditch the Welschen (not the Welsh, for Anglophones listening in).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windhorst,<br />
Your Israel-baiting is ill-informed: the biggest losers in the Gaza flotilla affair were America&#8217;s Arab allies, starting with Egypt, whom Turkey is trying to replace as the hegemonic Sunni power. Egypt after all keeps the Gaza blockade in place, and Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, which wants to overthrow Mubarak&#8217;s quasi-secular government. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect the EU to move East. I expect Germany to point East and ditch the Welschen (not the Welsh, for Anglophones listening in).</p>
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		<title>By: David Goldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just for fun, from a Doug Saunders dispatch in the Toronto Globe and Mail:
Estudias o trabajas?” When young Spaniards gather around the bars and patios, that’s their traditional icebreaker line: “You study or work?” In the past year, it’s become almost mandatory to answer, with a self-effacing smirk: “Nini.” 

It is half a joke, for nini is a way of saying “neither-nor,” and NINI is the Spanish government acronym for “Not in education or employment” – that is, lost to the economy. 

But it’s not really a joke, because now almost everyone is NINI. The under-30 unemployment rate in Spain has just hit 44 per cent, twice the adult rate. Italy also has passed the 40 per cent mark, and Greece has gone even further. If you count all the people who’ve given up looking, it means the number of people between 20 and 30 who have any form of employment in these countries is something like one in five. 

An entire European generation is leaving school to discover they have no place in the economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for fun, from a Doug Saunders dispatch in the Toronto Globe and Mail:<br />
Estudias o trabajas?” When young Spaniards gather around the bars and patios, that’s their traditional icebreaker line: “You study or work?” In the past year, it’s become almost mandatory to answer, with a self-effacing smirk: “Nini.” </p>
<p>It is half a joke, for nini is a way of saying “neither-nor,” and NINI is the Spanish government acronym for “Not in education or employment” – that is, lost to the economy. </p>
<p>But it’s not really a joke, because now almost everyone is NINI. The under-30 unemployment rate in Spain has just hit 44 per cent, twice the adult rate. Italy also has passed the 40 per cent mark, and Greece has gone even further. If you count all the people who’ve given up looking, it means the number of people between 20 and 30 who have any form of employment in these countries is something like one in five. </p>
<p>An entire European generation is leaving school to discover they have no place in the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Windhorst,

I&#039;m completely agreed about the two wars, which have me soured on US intervention in the Middle East in general.  I wouldn&#039;t be so opposed to US involvement in the region if it wasn&#039;t centered on two likely futile wars and was instead focused on diplomacy and perhaps some military pressure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windhorst,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m completely agreed about the two wars, which have me soured on US intervention in the Middle East in general.  I wouldn&#8217;t be so opposed to US involvement in the region if it wasn&#8217;t centered on two likely futile wars and was instead focused on diplomacy and perhaps some military pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: Windhorst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve,

By &quot;moving East&quot; I wanted to say that the EU members would shift its interest and foreign policy opinion to countries like Russia and Turkey. As Turkey would be forced to keep good relationships with its neighbours and will perhaps enter the EU in 10 or 20 years, the Middle East would get a lot more attention in Brussels, which is not necessarily a good thing.

I would not say, that the USA are really an empire. An empire would be much more about really controlling countries which is only the case in Iraq in Afghanistan. Beyond this, the USA is just exercising its influence in my opinion like France does it still in some of its former colonies. 
Until now the USA was seen as they would surely intervene, if an ally was in danger. This seems not true for Turkey any more in the current constellation.
The perception of Israel&#039;s strength in the region could make the difference, how its adversaries estimate the outcome of a war, so is important, in my opinion.

Of course, you&#039;re right that the Americans have to avoid to high spending and rebalance their economy. But this will be not eased by disclaiming the managing role the US has in Middle East or by changing the foreign diplomacy. What is really expensive, are the two wars, which do not improve but rather worsen the stand of the US (and the EU) has in the region.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>By &#8220;moving East&#8221; I wanted to say that the EU members would shift its interest and foreign policy opinion to countries like Russia and Turkey. As Turkey would be forced to keep good relationships with its neighbours and will perhaps enter the EU in 10 or 20 years, the Middle East would get a lot more attention in Brussels, which is not necessarily a good thing.</p>
<p>I would not say, that the USA are really an empire. An empire would be much more about really controlling countries which is only the case in Iraq in Afghanistan. Beyond this, the USA is just exercising its influence in my opinion like France does it still in some of its former colonies.<br />
Until now the USA was seen as they would surely intervene, if an ally was in danger. This seems not true for Turkey any more in the current constellation.<br />
The perception of Israel&#8217;s strength in the region could make the difference, how its adversaries estimate the outcome of a war, so is important, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Of course, you&#8217;re right that the Americans have to avoid to high spending and rebalance their economy. But this will be not eased by disclaiming the managing role the US has in Middle East or by changing the foreign diplomacy. What is really expensive, are the two wars, which do not improve but rather worsen the stand of the US (and the EU) has in the region.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Windhorst,

If the EU moves to &quot;the East,&quot; why shouldn&#039;t the US also do so (though I&#039;m not exactly sure what you mean by that)?  

Other than the US intervention in Iraq, I&#039;m not sure what influence the US has on whether Turkey is &quot;finlandized.&quot;

Also, I don&#039;t see why US policy toward a nation of over 70 million (Turkey) should be completely dictated by the national interests of a nation of just over 7 million (Israel), even though there are obviously closer cultural ties to the latter.  Are you seriously suggesting that US policy should be altered for the sake of &quot;the perception of Israel&#039;s strength in the region?&quot;  

I don&#039;t want to put that much into subsidizing a global empire given that the US is headed toward bankruptcy anyhow; good relations with emerging powers like Turkey are more important than the maintenance of the absolute military superiority of developed nations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windhorst,</p>
<p>If the EU moves to &#8220;the East,&#8221; why shouldn&#8217;t the US also do so (though I&#8217;m not exactly sure what you mean by that)?  </p>
<p>Other than the US intervention in Iraq, I&#8217;m not sure what influence the US has on whether Turkey is &#8220;finlandized.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t see why US policy toward a nation of over 70 million (Turkey) should be completely dictated by the national interests of a nation of just over 7 million (Israel), even though there are obviously closer cultural ties to the latter.  Are you seriously suggesting that US policy should be altered for the sake of &#8220;the perception of Israel&#8217;s strength in the region?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to put that much into subsidizing a global empire given that the US is headed toward bankruptcy anyhow; good relations with emerging powers like Turkey are more important than the maintenance of the absolute military superiority of developed nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Windhorst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Herr Goldman,

Das ist natürlich wahr. Ich glaube aber nicht, es die Vereinigten Staaten treffen wird. Alle Freunde von mir, die ein Auslandssemester in den USA machen, sind begeistert von dem amerikanischen Unternehmergeist.

Ich bin etwas optimistischer, was die Zukunft Europas angeht. 40 Jahre Teilung sollten eigentlich genug Strafe sein.
Vielleicht findet sich ein neues Gleichgewicht.

Hals- und Beinbruch! 
הצלחה וברכה]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herr Goldman,</p>
<p>Das ist natürlich wahr. Ich glaube aber nicht, es die Vereinigten Staaten treffen wird. Alle Freunde von mir, die ein Auslandssemester in den USA machen, sind begeistert von dem amerikanischen Unternehmergeist.</p>
<p>Ich bin etwas optimistischer, was die Zukunft Europas angeht. 40 Jahre Teilung sollten eigentlich genug Strafe sein.<br />
Vielleicht findet sich ein neues Gleichgewicht.</p>
<p>Hals- und Beinbruch!<br />
הצלחה וברכה</p>
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