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		<title>By: JacksonCu</title>
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		<dc:creator>JacksonCu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 06:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary North added a &quot;what do we do now&quot;:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north872.html

In a nutshell, it&#039;s DE-FUND the system, and DE-CENTRALIZE power.  De-fund gov&#039;t boondoggles, and get active in local politics, and work to move power back locally.  

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/
States&#039; rights, county rights, sheriff&#039;s rights!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary North added a &#8220;what do we do now&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north872.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north872.html</a></p>
<p>In a nutshell, it&#8217;s DE-FUND the system, and DE-CENTRALIZE power.  De-fund gov&#8217;t boondoggles, and get active in local politics, and work to move power back locally.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/</a><br />
States&#8217; rights, county rights, sheriff&#8217;s rights!</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve M:

Civil liberties are being &quot;impinged&quot;? Maybe if you are someone calling Pakistan repeatedly using a disposable cell phone.... Please, let&#039;s be real. This country is by any standard you choose one of the most protective of civil rights and civil liberties in the world. The notion of a secret government running roughshod over our freedoms is a figment of the internet&#039;s imagination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve M:</p>
<p>Civil liberties are being &#8220;impinged&#8221;? Maybe if you are someone calling Pakistan repeatedly using a disposable cell phone&#8230;. Please, let&#8217;s be real. This country is by any standard you choose one of the most protective of civil rights and civil liberties in the world. The notion of a secret government running roughshod over our freedoms is a figment of the internet&#8217;s imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Publius

So you&#039;re a Republican and not Country Class.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll be happy it&#039;s again your turn.

BTW, I agree that Defense is indeed a legitimate constitutional function.

But Empire?  Transforming alien societies half-way around the world in our image?  Impinging on civil liberties in the name of an ambiguous, endless &quot;war&quot;?  Constantly banging the drum of military exceptionalism?

Not so much...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Publius</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re a Republican and not Country Class.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll be happy it&#8217;s again your turn.</p>
<p>BTW, I agree that Defense is indeed a legitimate constitutional function.</p>
<p>But Empire?  Transforming alien societies half-way around the world in our image?  Impinging on civil liberties in the name of an ambiguous, endless &#8220;war&#8221;?  Constantly banging the drum of military exceptionalism?</p>
<p>Not so much&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 05:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing will change in Washington until the Chinese stop buying our Debt.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 03:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve M:

We spend 3.6 percent of our GDP for defense, which amounts to approximately 18 percent of the annual federal budget. This so-called &#039;war party&#039; seems pretty ineffective to me. Defense is a legitimate constitutional function given to the federal government; health care and any number of nanny state programs are simply 20th century inventions. That&#039;s were the waste and the bloat exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve M:</p>
<p>We spend 3.6 percent of our GDP for defense, which amounts to approximately 18 percent of the annual federal budget. This so-called &#8216;war party&#8217; seems pretty ineffective to me. Defense is a legitimate constitutional function given to the federal government; health care and any number of nanny state programs are simply 20th century inventions. That&#8217;s were the waste and the bloat exist.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.S.

Marc Thiessen, National Review: &lt;i&gt;“With growing threats such as a nuclear Iran, a rising China, and the continuing danger of terrorist attack, increased defense investments are something every constitutional conservative should support.”&lt;/i&gt;

Gary Schmitt, Weekly Standard: &lt;i&gt;”If anything, we’re spending too little on defense.”&lt;/i&gt;

Including Intel and National Security DOE and DHS functions, &quot;Defense&quot; expenditures total more than $1 TRILLION a year.  More than every other nation combined.

And the National Review and Weekly Standard are the mouthpieces for the mainstream Republican apparatus.

Under that regime the Republican Party is the War Party.  And when Republican candidates vetted by Bill Kristol and Liz Cheney get re-elected, there will be more war and the continued sanctification of military exceptionalism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.</p>
<p>Marc Thiessen, National Review: <i>“With growing threats such as a nuclear Iran, a rising China, and the continuing danger of terrorist attack, increased defense investments are something every constitutional conservative should support.”</i></p>
<p>Gary Schmitt, Weekly Standard: <i>”If anything, we’re spending too little on defense.”</i></p>
<p>Including Intel and National Security DOE and DHS functions, &#8220;Defense&#8221; expenditures total more than $1 TRILLION a year.  More than every other nation combined.</p>
<p>And the National Review and Weekly Standard are the mouthpieces for the mainstream Republican apparatus.</p>
<p>Under that regime the Republican Party is the War Party.  And when Republican candidates vetted by Bill Kristol and Liz Cheney get re-elected, there will be more war and the continued sanctification of military exceptionalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Deister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome Deister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;free war&quot; syndrome will end, not when we reduce foreign involvement, but end it, especially in the middle east.  The &quot;free lunch&quot; syndrome will end, not when we slow the growth of government, but when we actually reduce the federal government.  I&#039;m not promoting any candidate leaders for the country folk, but the only presidential candidate of recent memory who has consistently promoted an end to both of these debt-financed agendas on constitutional grounds is Ron Paul.  Ronald Reagan was in his 70s when elected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;free war&#8221; syndrome will end, not when we reduce foreign involvement, but end it, especially in the middle east.  The &#8220;free lunch&#8221; syndrome will end, not when we slow the growth of government, but when we actually reduce the federal government.  I&#8217;m not promoting any candidate leaders for the country folk, but the only presidential candidate of recent memory who has consistently promoted an end to both of these debt-financed agendas on constitutional grounds is Ron Paul.  Ronald Reagan was in his 70s when elected.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Peter - &lt;i&gt;&quot;Come November 2010 and 2012 this will likely deliver a political earthquake. Hopefully, unlike in 2004, the Republicans who will eventually rule again had better be ready to deliver the goods to the country class.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well no Peter, because elections are merely oscillations out of the Democratic pot into the Republican fire and back.

Of course the Republicans won&#039;t deliver the goods and then another oscillation.  The Democrats are a Free Lunch/Free War party and the Republicans are a Free War/Free Lunch party.  It&#039;s a pathological perpetual motion machine.

We can&#039;t afford the plowshares that government has promised.  But we surely can&#039;t afford more swords of American Empire that the neo-cons promise when they re-assume power and debt finance more wars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Peter &#8211; <i>&#8220;Come November 2010 and 2012 this will likely deliver a political earthquake. Hopefully, unlike in 2004, the Republicans who will eventually rule again had better be ready to deliver the goods to the country class.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well no Peter, because elections are merely oscillations out of the Democratic pot into the Republican fire and back.</p>
<p>Of course the Republicans won&#8217;t deliver the goods and then another oscillation.  The Democrats are a Free Lunch/Free War party and the Republicans are a Free War/Free Lunch party.  It&#8217;s a pathological perpetual motion machine.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t afford the plowshares that government has promised.  But we surely can&#8217;t afford more swords of American Empire that the neo-cons promise when they re-assume power and debt finance more wars.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Leavitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prof. Codevilla&#039;s fundamental distinction between a ruling and country class is basically true, though as with any fundamental distinction it lacks nuance. 

Codevilla is brilliant in his discussion of the antipathy of the secular ruling class to family life and religion. Anyone seriously religious in this country is regarded as some sort of a wing-nut. The ruling class dealt viciously with George Bush and John Ashcroft in large part due to their public avowal of  devout Christianity. He is wrong in assigning W Bush to the secular ruling class, though HW Bush belongs perfectly to it.   

Codevilla is weak in his political analysis.Politically within the present ruling class, we have a core of  senators and  congressmen who are worthy of leading the country class including Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, Jim Demint,  Tom Coburn, and possibly Scott Brown. 

Codevilla is spot on in criticizing parts of Wall Street and the business world that have become dependent through government regulation and largesse, though he underestimates the vitality of private equity and investment banking that for the most part view the government colossus as an arch enemy. He has little understanding that private capital investment has become rather skillful at finding ways to fight and beat the unimaginative and entrenched ruling class. Many first-class business managers and working men and women are appalled at the weakness and fecklessness of the ruling class.

In some sort of strange way Obama, who is almost a caricature of the feckless ruling class, has awakened the country class to the absurdity and weakness  of the ruling class.   Come November 2010 and 2012 this will likely deliver a political earthquake. Hopefully, unlike in 2004, the Republicans who will eventually rule again had better be ready to deliver the goods to the country class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Codevilla&#8217;s fundamental distinction between a ruling and country class is basically true, though as with any fundamental distinction it lacks nuance. </p>
<p>Codevilla is brilliant in his discussion of the antipathy of the secular ruling class to family life and religion. Anyone seriously religious in this country is regarded as some sort of a wing-nut. The ruling class dealt viciously with George Bush and John Ashcroft in large part due to their public avowal of  devout Christianity. He is wrong in assigning W Bush to the secular ruling class, though HW Bush belongs perfectly to it.   </p>
<p>Codevilla is weak in his political analysis.Politically within the present ruling class, we have a core of  senators and  congressmen who are worthy of leading the country class including Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, Jim Demint,  Tom Coburn, and possibly Scott Brown. </p>
<p>Codevilla is spot on in criticizing parts of Wall Street and the business world that have become dependent through government regulation and largesse, though he underestimates the vitality of private equity and investment banking that for the most part view the government colossus as an arch enemy. He has little understanding that private capital investment has become rather skillful at finding ways to fight and beat the unimaginative and entrenched ruling class. Many first-class business managers and working men and women are appalled at the weakness and fecklessness of the ruling class.</p>
<p>In some sort of strange way Obama, who is almost a caricature of the feckless ruling class, has awakened the country class to the absurdity and weakness  of the ruling class.   Come November 2010 and 2012 this will likely deliver a political earthquake. Hopefully, unlike in 2004, the Republicans who will eventually rule again had better be ready to deliver the goods to the country class.</p>
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		<title>By: David Goldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I would have said differently (and have been saying in several venues throughout the financial crisis) is that the &quot;country party&quot; brought its woes on itself. The entrepreneurs of the 1980s and 1990s became the real estate speculators of the 2000s. The entrepreneur who in 1985 would have used the equity in her home to start a business became the condo-flipper of 2005. It&#039;s the exurbs, the economic frontier of the aspiring rich, that have been flattened most completely by the crisis, precisely because they were the most overbuilt. There is no &quot;closed economy&quot; solution for America&#039;s economic problems, as Reuven Brenner and I have been arguing in the pages of First Things. And the &quot;country party&quot; is too insular to make sense of this. Codevilla himself is one of the best foreign policy analysts in the country. But the &quot;country party&quot; is desperately deficient in leaders. Where is our Reagan?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would have said differently (and have been saying in several venues throughout the financial crisis) is that the &#8220;country party&#8221; brought its woes on itself. The entrepreneurs of the 1980s and 1990s became the real estate speculators of the 2000s. The entrepreneur who in 1985 would have used the equity in her home to start a business became the condo-flipper of 2005. It&#8217;s the exurbs, the economic frontier of the aspiring rich, that have been flattened most completely by the crisis, precisely because they were the most overbuilt. There is no &#8220;closed economy&#8221; solution for America&#8217;s economic problems, as Reuven Brenner and I have been arguing in the pages of First Things. And the &#8220;country party&#8221; is too insular to make sense of this. Codevilla himself is one of the best foreign policy analysts in the country. But the &#8220;country party&#8221; is desperately deficient in leaders. Where is our Reagan?</p>
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