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		<title>By: DW</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/03/the-blessings-of-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-23964</link>
		<dc:creator>DW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(In order of your replies:)

So emotional responses to things are evidence for the existence of God?  Science has a pretty good understanding the physiology of emotions in terms of brain chemistry; we don&#039;t need God to explain them.

Compelling evidence for God would have to be pretty extraordinary, given the extraordinary nature of the claim that such a being exists.  I&#039;m quite sure God could come up with something that would convince me.  Again, if he can&#039;t, then he&#039;s not all-powerful.  

Having an emotional response to something and understanding that&#039;s all it is doesn&#039;t mean that atheists see God every day and deny it.  They just have emotional responses to things.

Don&#039;t you think it&#039;s hypocritical to suggest that I be open to all possibilities if you yourself are not?

As for your final reply: false dichotomy.  Why is that no God means everything happens by accident?  One does not follow from the other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(In order of your replies:)</p>
<p>So emotional responses to things are evidence for the existence of God?  Science has a pretty good understanding the physiology of emotions in terms of brain chemistry; we don&#8217;t need God to explain them.</p>
<p>Compelling evidence for God would have to be pretty extraordinary, given the extraordinary nature of the claim that such a being exists.  I&#8217;m quite sure God could come up with something that would convince me.  Again, if he can&#8217;t, then he&#8217;s not all-powerful.  </p>
<p>Having an emotional response to something and understanding that&#8217;s all it is doesn&#8217;t mean that atheists see God every day and deny it.  They just have emotional responses to things.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think it&#8217;s hypocritical to suggest that I be open to all possibilities if you yourself are not?</p>
<p>As for your final reply: false dichotomy.  Why is that no God means everything happens by accident?  One does not follow from the other.</p>
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		<title>By: OR mom</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/03/the-blessings-of-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-23929</link>
		<dc:creator>OR mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Give me one example of such evidence.&quot; 

I already gave you several a number of posts back.

&quot;You’re suggesting that I’m not open-minded. Quite the contrary. I will believe anything, as long as there is compelling evidence to support it. There is no such evidence for the existence of deities.&quot;

What evidence do you consider compelling?

&quot;Example?&quot; (of God)

See answer #1.

&quot;How about multiple gods and goddesses? Would you suggest that I be open-minded to such a possibility? Are you?&quot;

It might be a start for you to believe in any Beings greater than yourself. I&#039;m not open to it because it&#039;s not my belief of who God is.

&quot;Who said I believed that?&quot;

It was my assumption. What else could you be if there is no Intelligent Creator with a purpose?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Give me one example of such evidence.&#8221; </p>
<p>I already gave you several a number of posts back.</p>
<p>&#8220;You’re suggesting that I’m not open-minded. Quite the contrary. I will believe anything, as long as there is compelling evidence to support it. There is no such evidence for the existence of deities.&#8221;</p>
<p>What evidence do you consider compelling?</p>
<p>&#8220;Example?&#8221; (of God)</p>
<p>See answer #1.</p>
<p>&#8220;How about multiple gods and goddesses? Would you suggest that I be open-minded to such a possibility? Are you?&#8221;</p>
<p>It might be a start for you to believe in any Beings greater than yourself. I&#8217;m not open to it because it&#8217;s not my belief of who God is.</p>
<p>&#8220;Who said I believed that?&#8221;</p>
<p>It was my assumption. What else could you be if there is no Intelligent Creator with a purpose?</p>
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		<title>By: DW</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/03/the-blessings-of-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-23927</link>
		<dc:creator>DW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;God has put all kinds of evidence of His existence out there for anyone who wants to see it. &quot;

Give me one example of such evidence.   

&quot;Why isn’t it up to you to earnestly seek and keep an open mind and make the choice to wait on God as He waits on you?&quot;

You&#039;re suggesting that I&#039;m not open-minded.  Quite the contrary.  I will believe anything, as long as there is compelling evidence to support it.  There is no such evidence for the existence of deities.

&quot;Unbelievers hear and see God everyday but they choose to deny it’s Him. &quot;

Example?

&quot;If you are hung up on the idea of a Judeo-Christian God, then forget that image and just try to be open to the idea of a Creator.&quot;

How about multiple gods and goddesses?  Would you suggest that I be open-minded to such a possibility?  Are you?

&quot;What is important is to start believing you are more than a cosmic accident.&quot;

Who said I believed that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God has put all kinds of evidence of His existence out there for anyone who wants to see it. &#8221;</p>
<p>Give me one example of such evidence.   </p>
<p>&#8220;Why isn’t it up to you to earnestly seek and keep an open mind and make the choice to wait on God as He waits on you?&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re suggesting that I&#8217;m not open-minded.  Quite the contrary.  I will believe anything, as long as there is compelling evidence to support it.  There is no such evidence for the existence of deities.</p>
<p>&#8220;Unbelievers hear and see God everyday but they choose to deny it’s Him. &#8221;</p>
<p>Example?</p>
<p>&#8220;If you are hung up on the idea of a Judeo-Christian God, then forget that image and just try to be open to the idea of a Creator.&#8221;</p>
<p>How about multiple gods and goddesses?  Would you suggest that I be open-minded to such a possibility?  Are you?</p>
<p>&#8220;What is important is to start believing you are more than a cosmic accident.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who said I believed that?</p>
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		<title>By: OR mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>OR mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DW: You continue to insist that God has to do all the work in convincing you. Why? All relationships are a 2-way street. God has put all kinds of evidence of His existence out there for anyone who wants to see it. Why are you so special that you can&#039;t be convinced by the same things so many others find convincing? The majority of humans in this world believe in some kind of Supreme Being - why not you? Why isn&#039;t it up to you to earnestly seek and keep an open mind and make the choice to wait on God as He waits on you?


Are you waiting for something dramatic like God knocking Saul off his horse? Saul was a devout Jew and was already open to recognizing the hand of God. There are plenty of unbelievers stubborn enough to deny God even if He were to knock them off a horse and speak to them from a cloud. Unbelievers hear and see God everyday but they choose to deny it&#039;s Him. If you are hung up on the idea of a Judeo-Christian God, then forget that image and just try to be open to the idea of a Creator. What is important is to start believing you are more than a cosmic accident.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DW: You continue to insist that God has to do all the work in convincing you. Why? All relationships are a 2-way street. God has put all kinds of evidence of His existence out there for anyone who wants to see it. Why are you so special that you can&#8217;t be convinced by the same things so many others find convincing? The majority of humans in this world believe in some kind of Supreme Being &#8211; why not you? Why isn&#8217;t it up to you to earnestly seek and keep an open mind and make the choice to wait on God as He waits on you?</p>
<p>Are you waiting for something dramatic like God knocking Saul off his horse? Saul was a devout Jew and was already open to recognizing the hand of God. There are plenty of unbelievers stubborn enough to deny God even if He were to knock them off a horse and speak to them from a cloud. Unbelievers hear and see God everyday but they choose to deny it&#8217;s Him. If you are hung up on the idea of a Judeo-Christian God, then forget that image and just try to be open to the idea of a Creator. What is important is to start believing you are more than a cosmic accident.</p>
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		<title>By: DW</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/03/the-blessings-of-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-23883</link>
		<dc:creator>DW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So if I chose to comment on postings about unicorns, would that be evidence of them in my life?

As for &quot;telling God how to act,&quot; I&#039;m merely stating that if such a thing existed, it would be very easy for it to convince me of that.  The fact that this has not happened is simply part of the overwhelming body of information and experiences that support the idea that there are no gods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I chose to comment on postings about unicorns, would that be evidence of them in my life?</p>
<p>As for &#8220;telling God how to act,&#8221; I&#8217;m merely stating that if such a thing existed, it would be very easy for it to convince me of that.  The fact that this has not happened is simply part of the overwhelming body of information and experiences that support the idea that there are no gods.</p>
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		<title>By: OR mom</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/03/the-blessings-of-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-23853</link>
		<dc:creator>OR mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DW: &quot;The fact that I have not been provided with compelling evidence for his existence is further evidence for his non-existence.&quot;

I understand what you are saying. But we don&#039;t get to tell God how to act. God cannot be manipulated. You don&#039;t get to be the determiner of how, why, or when He touches you. All you can do is be receptive. If you are, you will come to know Him but it will be on His terms and His timetable.

Believe me, the fact that you bother to even write your questions is evidence of God in your life. You are thinking about Him when there are so many other things you could be doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DW: &#8220;The fact that I have not been provided with compelling evidence for his existence is further evidence for his non-existence.&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand what you are saying. But we don&#8217;t get to tell God how to act. God cannot be manipulated. You don&#8217;t get to be the determiner of how, why, or when He touches you. All you can do is be receptive. If you are, you will come to know Him but it will be on His terms and His timetable.</p>
<p>Believe me, the fact that you bother to even write your questions is evidence of God in your life. You are thinking about Him when there are so many other things you could be doing.</p>
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		<title>By: DW</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/03/the-blessings-of-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-23851</link>
		<dc:creator>DW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@OR mom:  God proving his existence to me has nothing to do with free will.  He&#039;s all-powerful, so if he wanted to prove his existence to me, he could.  If he tries and is unable, then he&#039;s not all-powerful.

People don&#039;t choose their beliefs.  They&#039;re either convinced of something or they&#039;re not.  If God exists, then he could convince me.  If he were all-knowing, he would know exactly what it would take to convince me; if he were all-powerful, he could then provide me with that.

The fact that I have not been provided with compelling evidence for his existence is further evidence for his non-existence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@OR mom:  God proving his existence to me has nothing to do with free will.  He&#8217;s all-powerful, so if he wanted to prove his existence to me, he could.  If he tries and is unable, then he&#8217;s not all-powerful.</p>
<p>People don&#8217;t choose their beliefs.  They&#8217;re either convinced of something or they&#8217;re not.  If God exists, then he could convince me.  If he were all-knowing, he would know exactly what it would take to convince me; if he were all-powerful, he could then provide me with that.</p>
<p>The fact that I have not been provided with compelling evidence for his existence is further evidence for his non-existence.</p>
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		<title>By: OR mom</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/03/the-blessings-of-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-23849</link>
		<dc:creator>OR mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DW: &quot;I shouldn’t be able to resist him unless he allows me to.&quot;

Which is exactly what He does because He gave you free will. I am re-posting my former comment to Dustin that addresses your question. 

... you are leaving free will and love out of the equation. If you loved a woman but she knew all about you and still had no use for you, would you kidnap her to get her attention so you could show her just how much you “loved” her? If that would be outrageous behavior for a human, how much more so for a God of perfect love?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DW: &#8220;I shouldn’t be able to resist him unless he allows me to.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is exactly what He does because He gave you free will. I am re-posting my former comment to Dustin that addresses your question. </p>
<p>&#8230; you are leaving free will and love out of the equation. If you loved a woman but she knew all about you and still had no use for you, would you kidnap her to get her attention so you could show her just how much you “loved” her? If that would be outrageous behavior for a human, how much more so for a God of perfect love?</p>
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		<title>By: DW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But OR mom, if God is unable to make me &quot;hear,&quot; then he&#039;s not all-powerful, is he?  If he was, he could.  I shouldn&#039;t be able to resist him unless he allows me to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But OR mom, if God is unable to make me &#8220;hear,&#8221; then he&#8217;s not all-powerful, is he?  If he was, he could.  I shouldn&#8217;t be able to resist him unless he allows me to.</p>
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		<title>By: OR mom</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/03/the-blessings-of-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-23805</link>
		<dc:creator>OR mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DW: If you don&#039;t &quot;hear&quot; it that&#039;s on you, not God, especially for someone on this forum. 

No offense but I get a mental picture of an atheist/agnostic asking where God is and when He answers they&#039;re squeezing their eyes shut, fingers in their ears, singing &quot; La, la, la, la ......, I can&#039;t hear you....la, la, la....&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DW: If you don&#8217;t &#8220;hear&#8221; it that&#8217;s on you, not God, especially for someone on this forum. </p>
<p>No offense but I get a mental picture of an atheist/agnostic asking where God is and when He answers they&#8217;re squeezing their eyes shut, fingers in their ears, singing &#8221; La, la, la, la &#8230;&#8230;, I can&#8217;t hear you&#8230;.la, la, la&#8230;.&#8221;.</p>
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