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		<title>By: Ray Ingles</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/17/the-great-leap-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-24466</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bret - &lt;blockquote&gt;But I think that it’s fair to say, that the atheistic communist experiment has caused more death, than one can imagine.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A lot of that is simply that better technology allows more people to exist, along with more efficient ways to kill large numbers of people.

A sincere &#039;thank you!&#039; for acknowledging that atheism doesn&#039;t necessarily lead to immorality, and that it was &#039;atheistic communism&#039; rather than atheism &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; that led to the horrible slaughter. 

The lesson I take from that is that no worldview is immune to excessive dogmatism. A refusal to allow freedom of conscience - in short, an inability to allow others to be &#039;wrong&#039; - has terrible consequences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret &#8211;<br />
<blockquote>But I think that it’s fair to say, that the atheistic communist experiment has caused more death, than one can imagine.</p></blockquote>
<p>A lot of that is simply that better technology allows more people to exist, along with more efficient ways to kill large numbers of people.</p>
<p>A sincere &#8216;thank you!&#8217; for acknowledging that atheism doesn&#8217;t necessarily lead to immorality, and that it was &#8216;atheistic communism&#8217; rather than atheism <i>per se</i> that led to the horrible slaughter. </p>
<p>The lesson I take from that is that no worldview is immune to excessive dogmatism. A refusal to allow freedom of conscience &#8211; in short, an inability to allow others to be &#8216;wrong&#8217; &#8211; has terrible consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/17/the-great-leap-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-24446</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 04:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, the Chinese leaders have done an astounding job of hiding Mao’s crimes from the people of China.  In 2005 I went on a short term mission trip in China.  Our group was split into smaller groups, and a lovely 22 year-old, college-educated woman was assigned as our guide.  While walking through Tiananmen Square I pointed to the huge picture of Mao and out of sheer curiosity I asked her what she thought of that man.  This dedicated Christian woman said, “Oh, he was a great man!”  I asked, “What about the mass murders?”  She looked at me, genuinely puzzled, and asked me what I was talking about.  To this day I am persuaded that she really had no idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the Chinese leaders have done an astounding job of hiding Mao’s crimes from the people of China.  In 2005 I went on a short term mission trip in China.  Our group was split into smaller groups, and a lovely 22 year-old, college-educated woman was assigned as our guide.  While walking through Tiananmen Square I pointed to the huge picture of Mao and out of sheer curiosity I asked her what she thought of that man.  This dedicated Christian woman said, “Oh, he was a great man!”  I asked, “What about the mass murders?”  She looked at me, genuinely puzzled, and asked me what I was talking about.  To this day I am persuaded that she really had no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok!  I already knew that he and Stalin both creamed Hitler, but I thought Stalin had claimed #1.

Live and learn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok!  I already knew that he and Stalin both creamed Hitler, but I thought Stalin had claimed #1.</p>
<p>Live and learn.</p>
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		<title>By: KarenT</title>
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		<dc:creator>KarenT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dennis Prager credits the fawning of intellectuals over communists during his college years with convincing him that his Hebrew School teacher was right:  &quot;The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.&quot;

It&#039;s amazing to me that Radical Chic still thrives in spirit among our intellectual betters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis Prager credits the fawning of intellectuals over communists during his college years with convincing him that his Hebrew School teacher was right:  &#8220;The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing to me that Radical Chic still thrives in spirit among our intellectual betters.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And that&#039;s only the estimate for a four-year period. Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but reference works like &quot;The Black Book of Communism&quot; have Mao&#039;s total murderous legacy as somewhere north of 60 million people, making him by far the worst mass murderer in human history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s only the estimate for a four-year period. Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but reference works like &#8220;The Black Book of Communism&#8221; have Mao&#8217;s total murderous legacy as somewhere north of 60 million people, making him by far the worst mass murderer in human history.</p>
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		<title>By: Ars Artium</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/17/the-great-leap-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-24416</link>
		<dc:creator>Ars Artium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When the principle that human lives can be commandeered for ends other than their own best good is accepted, a dark and bitter process begins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the principle that human lives can be commandeered for ends other than their own best good is accepted, a dark and bitter process begins.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret Lythgoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret Lythgoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We often hear, from the &quot;New Atheists&#039;&#039;, Richard Dawkins, Christiopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, and the rest, that religion, aside from being childish superstition, also has resulted in death and destruction. But I think that it&#039;s fair to say, that the atheistic communist experiment has caused more death, than one can imagine. 


Is this because atheism inexorably leads to immoral behavior? No. I think that atheism is incorrect, but there are a lot of atheists who put so called &quot;christians&#039;&#039; to shame, in the ethics department.


But one has to wonder, if a tyranny, that dnies religious freedom, does have a more than coincidental link to the lack of respect for life. I&#039;m not saying that there&#039;s a causal link here, but it&#039;s worth investigating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We often hear, from the &#8220;New Atheists&#8221;, Richard Dawkins, Christiopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, and the rest, that religion, aside from being childish superstition, also has resulted in death and destruction. But I think that it&#8217;s fair to say, that the atheistic communist experiment has caused more death, than one can imagine. </p>
<p>Is this because atheism inexorably leads to immoral behavior? No. I think that atheism is incorrect, but there are a lot of atheists who put so called &#8220;christians&#8221; to shame, in the ethics department.</p>
<p>But one has to wonder, if a tyranny, that dnies religious freedom, does have a more than coincidental link to the lack of respect for life. I&#8217;m not saying that there&#8217;s a causal link here, but it&#8217;s worth investigating.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ingles</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/09/17/the-great-leap-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-24404</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 02:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A big chunk of the &quot;famine&quot; and &quot;starvation&quot;, BTW, was because the Communists rejected neo-Darwinian evolution, and enforced Lysenkoism. Reality didn&#039;t match up with &quot;worker&#039;s science&quot; and the &quot;Three Bitter Years&quot; were the result.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big chunk of the &#8220;famine&#8221; and &#8220;starvation&#8221;, BTW, was because the Communists rejected neo-Darwinian evolution, and enforced Lysenkoism. Reality didn&#8217;t match up with &#8220;worker&#8217;s science&#8221; and the &#8220;Three Bitter Years&#8221; were the result.</p>
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