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		<title>By: Leftie Lefterson</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/18/academias-religious-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-30792</link>
		<dc:creator>Leftie Lefterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An agnostic who says he is a Christian? Some agnostic!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An agnostic who says he is a Christian? Some agnostic!</p>
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		<title>By: William Reed</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/18/academias-religious-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-30513</link>
		<dc:creator>William Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama is an agnostic. That is a big change from other presidents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is an agnostic. That is a big change from other presidents.</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/18/academias-religious-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-30394</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oscar - among academics, &quot;dialogue&quot; has a different meaning, closely related to the dialogue a biologist has with a specimen on a slide, or a sociologist with piles of poll data. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oscar &#8211; among academics, &#8220;dialogue&#8221; has a different meaning, closely related to the dialogue a biologist has with a specimen on a slide, or a sociologist with piles of poll data. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christopher:

Your comment that &quot;50 yrs ago no one could have predicted&quot; philosophical interest in a religious figure is exactly Milliner&#039;s point: reread his first sentence, paying especial attention to the words &quot;midcentury&quot; and &quot;the end of the century.&quot; Yet your overall remark seems to suggest the converse.

Also, Žižek is in &quot;serious&quot; conversation with Christians? That&#039;s a new one. I wasn&#039;t aware that his contrarian rock star-ness held serious conversations with anyone. :).

Also, Caputo is Roman Catholic, once a monastic, who&#039;s been plying a religious reading of Derrida for a generation. He&#039;s not *just* a &quot;philosopher,&quot; unless one denudes him of his biography, which, thanks to Paul Ricoeur&#039;s defense of human &quot;identity&quot; (in face of severe pomo criticism), we don&#039;t have to do. Anyway, no surprise that Jack writes on St Paul--or that his  engagement is so anemic.

You obviously want to advocate Continental engagements with &quot;religion,&quot; but I say, with St. Gregory of Nyssa, that philosophy of itself is &quot;ever in labor but never giving birth,&quot; while the Light of Christ, seen shining in the lives of the Saints, outshines the wise. As we pray in the Akathist to the Mother of God, in praise of her grace-filled life: 

&quot;Rejoice, thou who showest philosophers to be fools! 
Rejoice, thou who constrainest the learned to silence! 
Rejoice, for the clever critics have made fools of themselves!
Rejoice, thou who didst break the webs of the Athenians!
Rejoice, unwedded Bride!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher:</p>
<p>Your comment that &#8220;50 yrs ago no one could have predicted&#8221; philosophical interest in a religious figure is exactly Milliner&#8217;s point: reread his first sentence, paying especial attention to the words &#8220;midcentury&#8221; and &#8220;the end of the century.&#8221; Yet your overall remark seems to suggest the converse.</p>
<p>Also, Žižek is in &#8220;serious&#8221; conversation with Christians? That&#8217;s a new one. I wasn&#8217;t aware that his contrarian rock star-ness held serious conversations with anyone. :).</p>
<p>Also, Caputo is Roman Catholic, once a monastic, who&#8217;s been plying a religious reading of Derrida for a generation. He&#8217;s not *just* a &#8220;philosopher,&#8221; unless one denudes him of his biography, which, thanks to Paul Ricoeur&#8217;s defense of human &#8220;identity&#8221; (in face of severe pomo criticism), we don&#8217;t have to do. Anyway, no surprise that Jack writes on St Paul&#8211;or that his  engagement is so anemic.</p>
<p>You obviously want to advocate Continental engagements with &#8220;religion,&#8221; but I say, with St. Gregory of Nyssa, that philosophy of itself is &#8220;ever in labor but never giving birth,&#8221; while the Light of Christ, seen shining in the lives of the Saints, outshines the wise. As we pray in the Akathist to the Mother of God, in praise of her grace-filled life: </p>
<p>&#8220;Rejoice, thou who showest philosophers to be fools!<br />
Rejoice, thou who constrainest the learned to silence!<br />
Rejoice, for the clever critics have made fools of themselves!<br />
Rejoice, thou who didst break the webs of the Athenians!<br />
Rejoice, unwedded Bride!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/18/academias-religious-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-30376</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthropology of secularism - I think that is it exactly.  Current religious groups, whether they have long traditions or not, have been observed as if they are tribes from remote valleys in New Guinea, sometimes honestly, but often with an implied air of discrediting them.  This hasn&#039;t been an entirely bad thing for us, for it has indeed offered us opportunity to see ourselves afresh.  But if these tools are now being used on the secular subcultures, that is a fine thing.  It has the potential to remove the whole structure of &quot;You primitive.  We enlightened.&quot;

And we might all learn something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthropology of secularism &#8211; I think that is it exactly.  Current religious groups, whether they have long traditions or not, have been observed as if they are tribes from remote valleys in New Guinea, sometimes honestly, but often with an implied air of discrediting them.  This hasn&#8217;t been an entirely bad thing for us, for it has indeed offered us opportunity to see ourselves afresh.  But if these tools are now being used on the secular subcultures, that is a fine thing.  It has the potential to remove the whole structure of &#8220;You primitive.  We enlightened.&#8221;</p>
<p>And we might all learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see any point in looking at the progress of ideas as a one-way process that inevitably leads to more religiosity or more secularism.

It makes more sense to refer to Leo Strauss who saw Western culture as the product of a continuous dialogue between reason (Athens) and revelation (Jerusalem).  Academia is very heavily on the Athens side as it was back in the days of ancient Athens itself.  It is interesting to me that none of the people quoted above mentioned the word &quot;revelation.&quot;  Instead, we hear of &quot;sacred traditions&quot; which is a bit of a vague, New Age term.  Certainly, religion is more than philosophy or a set of traditions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any point in looking at the progress of ideas as a one-way process that inevitably leads to more religiosity or more secularism.</p>
<p>It makes more sense to refer to Leo Strauss who saw Western culture as the product of a continuous dialogue between reason (Athens) and revelation (Jerusalem).  Academia is very heavily on the Athens side as it was back in the days of ancient Athens itself.  It is interesting to me that none of the people quoted above mentioned the word &#8220;revelation.&#8221;  Instead, we hear of &#8220;sacred traditions&#8221; which is a bit of a vague, New Age term.  Certainly, religion is more than philosophy or a set of traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Mator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Mator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We broke the shackles of religion, only to free-fall through the void of unbelief. We saw the face of despair, and shuddered. 

We want sure footing without chains, autonomy without irrelevance, and so we try to be both theist and atheist and succeed at neither.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We broke the shackles of religion, only to free-fall through the void of unbelief. We saw the face of despair, and shuddered. </p>
<p>We want sure footing without chains, autonomy without irrelevance, and so we try to be both theist and atheist and succeed at neither.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Spomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastor Spomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?”

Eh.
It will be more like, “What was that name you called me, and why did you go so soon?”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,<br />
Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?”</p>
<p>Eh.<br />
It will be more like, “What was that name you called me, and why did you go so soon?”</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt: Do you think this &quot;religious (re)turn&quot; in the academy is across all academic disciplines or more pronounced in some disciplines than others and, if so, which ones? 

Philosophy witnessed a &quot;religion (re)turn&quot; during Derrida&#039;s lifetime – in his own work – not after his death, as Stanley Fish seems to imply in his remark above. Follow the trends in Continental philosophy, both in terms of conferences and publications, and you&#039;ll observe that even secularists, like Slavoj Žižek, are in serious and sustained discourse with Christians. See &quot;The Puppet and the Dwarf: The Perverse Core of Christianity,&quot; &quot;The Monstrosity of Christ: Paradox or Dialectic?&quot; (w/John Milbank and Creston Davis), &quot;The Fragile Absolute: Or, Why Is the Christian Legacy Worth Fighting For?&quot;, and, most recently, &quot;Paul&#039;s New Moment: Continental Philosophy and the Future of Christian Theology&quot; (w/John Milbank and Creston Davis). Another fine example of this trend is &quot;St. Paul Among the Philosophers,&quot; edited by John Caputo. Fifty years ago no one could have predicted that the apostle Paul would become a figure of fascination to philosophers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt: Do you think this &#8220;religious (re)turn&#8221; in the academy is across all academic disciplines or more pronounced in some disciplines than others and, if so, which ones? </p>
<p>Philosophy witnessed a &#8220;religion (re)turn&#8221; during Derrida&#8217;s lifetime – in his own work – not after his death, as Stanley Fish seems to imply in his remark above. Follow the trends in Continental philosophy, both in terms of conferences and publications, and you&#8217;ll observe that even secularists, like Slavoj Žižek, are in serious and sustained discourse with Christians. See &#8220;The Puppet and the Dwarf: The Perverse Core of Christianity,&#8221; &#8220;The Monstrosity of Christ: Paradox or Dialectic?&#8221; (w/John Milbank and Creston Davis), &#8220;The Fragile Absolute: Or, Why Is the Christian Legacy Worth Fighting For?&#8221;, and, most recently, &#8220;Paul&#8217;s New Moment: Continental Philosophy and the Future of Christian Theology&#8221; (w/John Milbank and Creston Davis). Another fine example of this trend is &#8220;St. Paul Among the Philosophers,&#8221; edited by John Caputo. Fifty years ago no one could have predicted that the apostle Paul would become a figure of fascination to philosophers.</p>
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		<title>By: Boze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, 
Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,<br />
Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?&#8221;</p>
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