<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Plea to Pollsters: Won&#8217;t You Please Stop Embarrassing Americans By Asking Us Questions About Civics and History?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/</link>
	<description>A First Things Blog</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 20:32:34 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Art Deco</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-30807</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Deco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/?p=25914#comment-30807</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[If you want to test people&#039;s historical knowledge, try short answer quizzes on local, American, Occidental, and world history.

I will wager the people they polled had no clue where the phrase came from and just guessed from a proffered menu of responses.  

Of the social and cultural problems we face, the widespread inability of people to recognize bits and pieces of Marx is not a priority. Time spent learning European intellectual history is time not spent on learning other things of value.  It is utile to drill a broad range of people on the fundamentals of American history, geography, and civics, preferably in elementary school. Beyond that, put your effort into teaching youths who are receptive and interested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to test people&#8217;s historical knowledge, try short answer quizzes on local, American, Occidental, and world history.</p>
<p>I will wager the people they polled had no clue where the phrase came from and just guessed from a proffered menu of responses.  </p>
<p>Of the social and cultural problems we face, the widespread inability of people to recognize bits and pieces of Marx is not a priority. Time spent learning European intellectual history is time not spent on learning other things of value.  It is utile to drill a broad range of people on the fundamentals of American history, geography, and civics, preferably in elementary school. Beyond that, put your effort into teaching youths who are receptive and interested.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-30788</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 03:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/?p=25914#comment-30788</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Is this an online poll in the sense that anyone with an Internet connection can either participate or not, and there is effectively no sampling methodology?

Or is it a poll conducted according to normal sampling methodology, using the Internet as the medium?

There is a colossal difference between the two. If somebody posts a poll and anyone can just go answer it, it&#039;s not remotely a valid poll. If a polling company contacts individuals based on sampling methodology and controls for the relatively small population differences in Internet connectivity vs. telephone usage, and has then use an Internet connection and a browser rather than a telephone to respond, it&#039;s no different from a scientifically conducted phone survey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this an online poll in the sense that anyone with an Internet connection can either participate or not, and there is effectively no sampling methodology?</p>
<p>Or is it a poll conducted according to normal sampling methodology, using the Internet as the medium?</p>
<p>There is a colossal difference between the two. If somebody posts a poll and anyone can just go answer it, it&#8217;s not remotely a valid poll. If a polling company contacts individuals based on sampling methodology and controls for the relatively small population differences in Internet connectivity vs. telephone usage, and has then use an Internet connection and a browser rather than a telephone to respond, it&#8217;s no different from a scientifically conducted phone survey.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve Billingsley</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-30772</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Billingsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/?p=25914#comment-30772</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[It is not illegal to do surveys on cell phones, it is just much more expensive.  The survey methodology most often used in landline phone polling is RDD (random digit dialing).  To do this you just need a phone book, because landline telephone numbers are easy to obtain. 

Cell phone numbers, however, are not easy to obtain (wireless providers don&#039;t sell these lists) and for polling in a particular geography cell phones are useless because cell phone numbers aren&#039;t tied to specific geography the same way landline numbers are.  (People can maintain the same cell phone number and move halfway across the country).

The link below discusses some of these issues.

http://www.aapor.org/Do_Cell_Phones_Affect_Survey_Research_/2438.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not illegal to do surveys on cell phones, it is just much more expensive.  The survey methodology most often used in landline phone polling is RDD (random digit dialing).  To do this you just need a phone book, because landline telephone numbers are easy to obtain. </p>
<p>Cell phone numbers, however, are not easy to obtain (wireless providers don&#8217;t sell these lists) and for polling in a particular geography cell phones are useless because cell phone numbers aren&#8217;t tied to specific geography the same way landline numbers are.  (People can maintain the same cell phone number and move halfway across the country).</p>
<p>The link below discusses some of these issues.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aapor.org/Do_Cell_Phones_Affect_Survey_Research_/2438.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aapor.org/Do_Cell_Phones_Affect_Survey_Research_/2438.htm</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: rallenr</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-30771</link>
		<dc:creator>rallenr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/?p=25914#comment-30771</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Steve, can you link to any page which discusses or cites &quot;you can’t do phone surveys on cell phones&quot;.  Federal &quot;Do Not Call&quot; specifically exempts &quot;surveys&quot;, but if there are other rules, we&#039;d be interested.  Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, can you link to any page which discusses or cites &#8220;you can’t do phone surveys on cell phones&#8221;.  Federal &#8220;Do Not Call&#8221; specifically exempts &#8220;surveys&#8221;, but if there are other rules, we&#8217;d be interested.  Thanks!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve Billingsley</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-30768</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Billingsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/?p=25914#comment-30768</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I work for a data collection company that does online research (and recruiting for focus groups).  I typically don&#039;t chime in that much, but I have a hard time letting ill-informed comments about what puts food on my table go...

That being said, I have no idea of the poll referenced in the post has any merit whatsoever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a data collection company that does online research (and recruiting for focus groups).  I typically don&#8217;t chime in that much, but I have a hard time letting ill-informed comments about what puts food on my table go&#8230;</p>
<p>That being said, I have no idea of the poll referenced in the post has any merit whatsoever.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-30766</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/?p=25914#comment-30766</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I recall recent polls of young people in Sweden being unaware of what the USSR was like or what had happened in WWII.  I recall also being a highschooler (late 60&#039;s) and reading polls showing how ignorant we highschoolers were.  While in Romania, I was appalled how little Romanian history its children knew.  It&#039;s not just modern American students.

An uncomfortably large percentage of everyone, in every place and time, knows very little about history and geography. (Or math, or chemistry...) The young tend to know less, as adults do stumble across real information over the years, driven home into memory by an experience that actually meant something to them, such as a foreign national marrying in, or deployment, or discovering an ancestor&#039;s connection to an important event.

It may be distressing, but it is hardly alarming, as it is universal.  Most of us are intelligent in only those things which offer some visible advantage to us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall recent polls of young people in Sweden being unaware of what the USSR was like or what had happened in WWII.  I recall also being a highschooler (late 60&#8242;s) and reading polls showing how ignorant we highschoolers were.  While in Romania, I was appalled how little Romanian history its children knew.  It&#8217;s not just modern American students.</p>
<p>An uncomfortably large percentage of everyone, in every place and time, knows very little about history and geography. (Or math, or chemistry&#8230;) The young tend to know less, as adults do stumble across real information over the years, driven home into memory by an experience that actually meant something to them, such as a foreign national marrying in, or deployment, or discovering an ancestor&#8217;s connection to an important event.</p>
<p>It may be distressing, but it is hardly alarming, as it is universal.  Most of us are intelligent in only those things which offer some visible advantage to us.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-30765</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/?p=25914#comment-30765</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Steve,

So I assume from your hot, out-of-left-field defense of online polling, that you are in fact an online pollster. Am I right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>So I assume from your hot, out-of-left-field defense of online polling, that you are in fact an online pollster. Am I right?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-30764</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/?p=25914#comment-30764</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Clearly, ignorance has some sort of beneficial effect. 

Just look at Europe, where the citizens are all better educated than ours, and their countries are all militarily weak and economically dependent on us.

Or otoh, look at China, which is rising to the status of super power and is practically bathing in ignorance.

I think those embarrassing polls are just one more reason to hold our heads high.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, ignorance has some sort of beneficial effect. </p>
<p>Just look at Europe, where the citizens are all better educated than ours, and their countries are all militarily weak and economically dependent on us.</p>
<p>Or otoh, look at China, which is rising to the status of super power and is practically bathing in ignorance.</p>
<p>I think those embarrassing polls are just one more reason to hold our heads high.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve Billingsley</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-30742</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Billingsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/?p=25914#comment-30742</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Again, the sampling methodology matters.  

But over 60% of quantitative survey research conducted in the United States is conducted online (15 years ago about 60% was conducted over the phone).

This includes almost all package testing, concept testing, customer satisfaction and advertising awareness research.  Polling is a different animal, but there are many ways to do this in a representative manner and in addition data for polling is always (and I mean always) weighted using a variety of statistical measures.

So you presume wrong.  Don&#039;t assume that the pop up window asking you to answer a survey on a random website or the invitation on your receipt at a retail outlet or restaurant is what online research is all about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, the sampling methodology matters.  </p>
<p>But over 60% of quantitative survey research conducted in the United States is conducted online (15 years ago about 60% was conducted over the phone).</p>
<p>This includes almost all package testing, concept testing, customer satisfaction and advertising awareness research.  Polling is a different animal, but there are many ways to do this in a representative manner and in addition data for polling is always (and I mean always) weighted using a variety of statistical measures.</p>
<p>So you presume wrong.  Don&#8217;t assume that the pop up window asking you to answer a survey on a random website or the invitation on your receipt at a retail outlet or restaurant is what online research is all about.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Londiniensis</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/12/29/plea-to-pollsters-wont-you-please-stop-embarrassing-americans-by-asking-us-questions-about-civics-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-30732</link>
		<dc:creator>Londiniensis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/?p=25914#comment-30732</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I presume that the more intelligent and/or better-educated Americans have better things to do with their time than sit gawping in front of computer screens all day filling in stupid poll-questionnaires ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presume that the more intelligent and/or better-educated Americans have better things to do with their time than sit gawping in front of computer screens all day filling in stupid poll-questionnaires &#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
