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		<title>By: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/02/04/more-on-insurance-for-contraceptives/comment-page-1/#comment-33278</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 03:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TXW -- the chances are that high only if the woman has intercourse during her peak (potential) fertility period every month. In practice, the chances wouldn&#039;t be that high. I don&#039;t know if there&#039;s an accurate way to estimate that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TXW &#8212; the chances are that high only if the woman has intercourse during her peak (potential) fertility period every month. In practice, the chances wouldn&#8217;t be that high. I don&#8217;t know if there&#8217;s an accurate way to estimate that.</p>
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		<title>By: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/02/04/more-on-insurance-for-contraceptives/comment-page-1/#comment-33273</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jack, there is also a group of people who are not celibate but chaste, and would benefit (insofar as having contraceptive coverage is a benefit.) So I think that&#039;s why Stephen objects to the construction &quot;chaste people would not benefit.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, there is also a group of people who are not celibate but chaste, and would benefit (insofar as having contraceptive coverage is a benefit.) So I think that&#8217;s why Stephen objects to the construction &#8220;chaste people would not benefit.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/02/04/more-on-insurance-for-contraceptives/comment-page-1/#comment-33272</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“…ready access to contraception lowers the chance that insurance has to pay for an abortion.”

No insurance company ever has to pay for an abortion if they don&#039;t cover them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“…ready access to contraception lowers the chance that insurance has to pay for an abortion.”</p>
<p>No insurance company ever has to pay for an abortion if they don&#8217;t cover them.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/02/04/more-on-insurance-for-contraceptives/comment-page-1/#comment-33269</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...ready access to contraception lowers the chance that insurance has to pay for an abortion.&quot;

Actually, that&#039;s not true.  Studies show that increased use of contraceptives increases the number of abortions.  See this article for an explanation of a recent study:  http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-study-links-contraception-hike-with-increased-abortions

So really, I think the insurance companies would just be setting themselves up for most costs if they choose to cover contraceptives in such fashion.  And that&#039;s not even to mention to inherent health risks associated with the contraceptives themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;ready access to contraception lowers the chance that insurance has to pay for an abortion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, that&#8217;s not true.  Studies show that increased use of contraceptives increases the number of abortions.  See this article for an explanation of a recent study:  <a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-study-links-contraception-hike-with-increased-abortions" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-study-links-contraception-hike-with-increased-abortions</a></p>
<p>So really, I think the insurance companies would just be setting themselves up for most costs if they choose to cover contraceptives in such fashion.  And that&#8217;s not even to mention to inherent health risks associated with the contraceptives themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: TXW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TXW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So if the pill, for instance, is 98% effective.  Roll the dice for each menstrual cycle.  Roughly, with 120 cycles (10 years of &quot;perfect use&quot;, as they say) there is a 70% chance that a woman will get pregnant.  So a 35% chance of pregnancy in 60 cycles.  This is why so many switch to sterilization as there main method.  This is why the abortion industry thrives (Guy: &quot;Pregnant?! I thought you were on the pill?  Gal: &quot;I am!&quot;  Guy: &quot;Well call Planned Parenthood, we need to take care of this, or I&#039;ll dump you.&quot;), and will thrive even more once Obama&#039;s plan goes through.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if the pill, for instance, is 98% effective.  Roll the dice for each menstrual cycle.  Roughly, with 120 cycles (10 years of &#8220;perfect use&#8221;, as they say) there is a 70% chance that a woman will get pregnant.  So a 35% chance of pregnancy in 60 cycles.  This is why so many switch to sterilization as there main method.  This is why the abortion industry thrives (Guy: &#8220;Pregnant?! I thought you were on the pill?  Gal: &#8220;I am!&#8221;  Guy: &#8220;Well call Planned Parenthood, we need to take care of this, or I&#8217;ll dump you.&#8221;), and will thrive even more once Obama&#8217;s plan goes through.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Perry</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/02/04/more-on-insurance-for-contraceptives/comment-page-1/#comment-33266</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 04:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen,

There does exist a large group of married people who are not celibate but chaste, and would not benefit. They&#039;re not always large families, and they&#039;re not always religious. (There are a lot of non-religious types interested in natural family planning.) That was my inference of what Robert meant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,</p>
<p>There does exist a large group of married people who are not celibate but chaste, and would not benefit. They&#8217;re not always large families, and they&#8217;re not always religious. (There are a lot of non-religious types interested in natural family planning.) That was my inference of what Robert meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/02/04/more-on-insurance-for-contraceptives/comment-page-1/#comment-33260</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 01:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think that by “chaste people” the author means “celibate people.”&quot;

&quot;It is possible to be both chaste and sexually active.&quot;

Jack Perry,

That was my point; thank you for restating it.  While the author says that chaste people will not benefit, I think (or hope at least) that he intended to say that celibate people will not benefit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that by “chaste people” the author means “celibate people.”&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It is possible to be both chaste and sexually active.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jack Perry,</p>
<p>That was my point; thank you for restating it.  While the author says that chaste people will not benefit, I think (or hope at least) that he intended to say that celibate people will not benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 01:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Uhhh – that’s how all insurance works.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be LOL if you weren&#039;t serious.

My auto insurance doesn&#039;t pay for my oil changes precisely because they are preventative maintenance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Uhhh – that’s how all insurance works.</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be LOL if you weren&#8217;t serious.</p>
<p>My auto insurance doesn&#8217;t pay for my oil changes precisely because they are preventative maintenance.</p>
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		<title>By: pentamom</title>
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		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 15:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NFQ -- that&#039;s not quite right. Reproductive organs are being used according to their normal function when sexual activity is not occurring -- gametes are being produced according to the normal cycle for the respective sex, and so on. 

Chemical birth control causes those organs not to be used as intended -- they are no longer producing gametes in their normal cycles.

So I think there&#039;s a valid distinction to be made between lack of sexual activity resulting in lack of reproduction, and the actual disabling of the function of the organs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NFQ &#8212; that&#8217;s not quite right. Reproductive organs are being used according to their normal function when sexual activity is not occurring &#8212; gametes are being produced according to the normal cycle for the respective sex, and so on. </p>
<p>Chemical birth control causes those organs not to be used as intended &#8212; they are no longer producing gametes in their normal cycles.</p>
<p>So I think there&#8217;s a valid distinction to be made between lack of sexual activity resulting in lack of reproduction, and the actual disabling of the function of the organs.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/02/04/more-on-insurance-for-contraceptives/comment-page-1/#comment-33241</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eli: I think the point is pretty clear that he objects to the expansion of the definition of &quot;medical procedure&quot; to include something that is neither fixing nor preventing a disease.

Pregnancy is not a disease, and birth control is not a medical device - not unless we change the meaning of &quot;medical&quot; to include anything we do to our bodies in order to have more control over our lives.

What medical expenses should the taxpayer subsidize? If you believe that passing the expense of a thing on to &quot;the taxpayer&quot; makes it essentially free, then why not cover birth control (and tattoos too for that matter, and body piercings - hey, self esteem and identity are valid parts of the human condition!)

If, however, you recognize that &quot;free&quot; actually really just means &quot;the costs are still there but obscured&quot;, then you know that there&#039;s no way to get free condoms - it&#039;s really just an expensive fantasy: the condoms will end up costing someone far more than they&#039;re worth. 

Even the idea that the &quot;someone&quot; who pays for the condoms will be &quot;someone else&quot; is a fantasy: the same young healthy people who think they will be scoring free condoms might very well be the ones hardest hit by any economic consequences that come around in the form of &quot;unintended consequences&quot;, because policies like this actually make it easier, not harder, for the powerful of the world to pass the costs on to the little guy (who does not protest because he thinks he&#039;s getting something for free, and does not realize how much it is really costing him).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eli: I think the point is pretty clear that he objects to the expansion of the definition of &#8220;medical procedure&#8221; to include something that is neither fixing nor preventing a disease.</p>
<p>Pregnancy is not a disease, and birth control is not a medical device &#8211; not unless we change the meaning of &#8220;medical&#8221; to include anything we do to our bodies in order to have more control over our lives.</p>
<p>What medical expenses should the taxpayer subsidize? If you believe that passing the expense of a thing on to &#8220;the taxpayer&#8221; makes it essentially free, then why not cover birth control (and tattoos too for that matter, and body piercings &#8211; hey, self esteem and identity are valid parts of the human condition!)</p>
<p>If, however, you recognize that &#8220;free&#8221; actually really just means &#8220;the costs are still there but obscured&#8221;, then you know that there&#8217;s no way to get free condoms &#8211; it&#8217;s really just an expensive fantasy: the condoms will end up costing someone far more than they&#8217;re worth. </p>
<p>Even the idea that the &#8220;someone&#8221; who pays for the condoms will be &#8220;someone else&#8221; is a fantasy: the same young healthy people who think they will be scoring free condoms might very well be the ones hardest hit by any economic consequences that come around in the form of &#8220;unintended consequences&#8221;, because policies like this actually make it easier, not harder, for the powerful of the world to pass the costs on to the little guy (who does not protest because he thinks he&#8217;s getting something for free, and does not realize how much it is really costing him).</p>
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