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		<title>By: Bachmann? For Real? Romney Dominates the Discussion, and a Bit More&#8230; &#124; Article VI Blog &#124; John Schroeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bachmann? For Real? Romney Dominates the Discussion, and a Bit More&#8230; &#124; Article VI Blog &#124; John Schroeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] philosophy, united and divided Catholics and Evangelicals.  This is very deep stuff, but provides some interesting insight.  From the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] philosophy, united and divided Catholics and Evangelicals.  This is very deep stuff, but provides some interesting insight.  From the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe DeVet</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/03/24/evangelicals-and-natural-law-cont/comment-page-1/#comment-36181</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe DeVet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Our 4-century natural law tradition&quot;?  Seems to me it&#039;s been 20 centuries since Paul affirmed that natural law is in play even for pagans.  

Or over 8 centuries since this common-sense understanding of the human heart was explicated further by Aquinas.

Or for that matter, over 30 centuries since the Decalogue reminded the Hebrew people what their consciences already knew, if they could only strip away accretions of culture and sin.

Let us embrace natural-law understanding and articulation, if only in order to have a more complete anthropology with which to better understand man, and thus better grasp what is right, proper and helpful to human flourishing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our 4-century natural law tradition&#8221;?  Seems to me it&#8217;s been 20 centuries since Paul affirmed that natural law is in play even for pagans.  </p>
<p>Or over 8 centuries since this common-sense understanding of the human heart was explicated further by Aquinas.</p>
<p>Or for that matter, over 30 centuries since the Decalogue reminded the Hebrew people what their consciences already knew, if they could only strip away accretions of culture and sin.</p>
<p>Let us embrace natural-law understanding and articulation, if only in order to have a more complete anthropology with which to better understand man, and thus better grasp what is right, proper and helpful to human flourishing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe is right to point to the placement and influence of Thomas as critical. It&#039;s not that well known or appreciated that Thomas was positively appropriated by a number of Reformed theologians on a variety of points in the early modern period. Steinmetz put it well in the context of Luther&#039;s rhetorical flourish against &quot;Thomas,&quot; in his essay &quot;Luther among the Anti-Thomists,&quot; writing, &quot;The story of Thomas Aquinas and Protestantism has yet to be written, and it is not identical with the story of Thomas and Luther.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe is right to point to the placement and influence of Thomas as critical. It&#8217;s not that well known or appreciated that Thomas was positively appropriated by a number of Reformed theologians on a variety of points in the early modern period. Steinmetz put it well in the context of Luther&#8217;s rhetorical flourish against &#8220;Thomas,&#8221; in his essay &#8220;Luther among the Anti-Thomists,&#8221; writing, &#8220;The story of Thomas Aquinas and Protestantism has yet to be written, and it is not identical with the story of Thomas and Luther.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Natural law is not the whole picture – but a recovery of our four-century natural law tradition (call it something else if the phrase “natural law” bothers you) has to be part of it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Heh, heh.  Nice concluding sentence.  A concession to Natural Law proponents that while what they&#039;re advocating is good and worthy, it&#039;s also not the whole picture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Natural law is not the whole picture – but a recovery of our four-century natural law tradition (call it something else if the phrase “natural law” bothers you) has to be part of it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Heh, heh.  Nice concluding sentence.  A concession to Natural Law proponents that while what they&#8217;re advocating is good and worthy, it&#8217;s also not the whole picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Knippenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Knippenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consider the following passages from St. Thomas Aquinas&#039; SUMMA (the so-called TREATISE ON LAW):

As stated above (Articles [4],5), there belong to the natural law, first, certain most general precepts, that are known to all; and secondly, certain secondary and more detailed precepts, which are, as it were, conclusions following closely from first principles. As to those general principles, the natural law, in the abstract, can nowise be blotted out from men&#039;s hearts. But it is blotted out in the case of a particular action, in so far as reason is hindered from applying the general principle to a particular point of practice, on account of concupiscence or some other passion, as stated above (Question [77], Article [2]). But as to the other, i.e. the secondary precepts, the natural law can be blotted out from the human heart, either by evil persuasions, just as in speculative matters errors occur in respect of necessary conclusions; or by vicious customs and corrupt habits, as among some men, theft, and even unnatural vices, as the Apostle states (Rm. i), were not esteemed sinful.

(http://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/FS/FS094.html#FSQ94A6THEP1)

As stated above (Question [90], Articles [1],2), law is framed as a rule or measure of human acts. Now a measure should be homogeneous with that which it measures, as stated in Metaph. x, text. 3,4, since different things are measured by different measures. Wherefore laws imposed on men should also be in keeping with their condition, for, as Isidore says (Etym. v, 21), law should be &quot;possible both according to nature, and according to the customs of the country.&quot; Now possibility or faculty of action is due to an interior habit or disposition: since the same thing is not possible to one who has not a virtuous habit, as is possible to one who has. Thus the same is not possible to a child as to a full-grown man: for which reason the law for children is not the same as for adults, since many things are permitted to children, which in an adult are punished by law or at any rate are open to blame. In like manner many things are permissible to men not perfect in virtue, which would be intolerable in a virtuous man.

The purpose of human law is to lead men to virtue, not suddenly, but gradually. Wherefore it does not lay upon the multitude of imperfect men the burdens of those who are already virtuous, viz. that they should abstain from all evil. Otherwise these imperfect ones, being unable to bear such precepts, would break out into yet greater evils: thus it is written (Pr. 30:33): &quot;He that violently bloweth his nose, bringeth out blood&quot;; and (Mt. 9:17) that if &quot;new wine,&quot; i.e. precepts of a perfect life, &quot;is put into old bottles,&quot; i.e. into imperfect men, &quot;the bottles break, and the wine runneth out,&quot; i.e. the precepts are despised, and those men, from contempt, break into evils worse still.

(http://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/FS/FS096.html#FSQ96OUTP1)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider the following passages from St. Thomas Aquinas&#8217; SUMMA (the so-called TREATISE ON LAW):</p>
<p>As stated above (Articles [4],5), there belong to the natural law, first, certain most general precepts, that are known to all; and secondly, certain secondary and more detailed precepts, which are, as it were, conclusions following closely from first principles. As to those general principles, the natural law, in the abstract, can nowise be blotted out from men&#8217;s hearts. But it is blotted out in the case of a particular action, in so far as reason is hindered from applying the general principle to a particular point of practice, on account of concupiscence or some other passion, as stated above (Question [77], Article [2]). But as to the other, i.e. the secondary precepts, the natural law can be blotted out from the human heart, either by evil persuasions, just as in speculative matters errors occur in respect of necessary conclusions; or by vicious customs and corrupt habits, as among some men, theft, and even unnatural vices, as the Apostle states (Rm. i), were not esteemed sinful.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/FS/FS094.html#FSQ94A6THEP1" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/FS/FS094.html#FSQ94A6THEP1</a>)</p>
<p>As stated above (Question [90], Articles [1],2), law is framed as a rule or measure of human acts. Now a measure should be homogeneous with that which it measures, as stated in Metaph. x, text. 3,4, since different things are measured by different measures. Wherefore laws imposed on men should also be in keeping with their condition, for, as Isidore says (Etym. v, 21), law should be &#8220;possible both according to nature, and according to the customs of the country.&#8221; Now possibility or faculty of action is due to an interior habit or disposition: since the same thing is not possible to one who has not a virtuous habit, as is possible to one who has. Thus the same is not possible to a child as to a full-grown man: for which reason the law for children is not the same as for adults, since many things are permitted to children, which in an adult are punished by law or at any rate are open to blame. In like manner many things are permissible to men not perfect in virtue, which would be intolerable in a virtuous man.</p>
<p>The purpose of human law is to lead men to virtue, not suddenly, but gradually. Wherefore it does not lay upon the multitude of imperfect men the burdens of those who are already virtuous, viz. that they should abstain from all evil. Otherwise these imperfect ones, being unable to bear such precepts, would break out into yet greater evils: thus it is written (Pr. 30:33): &#8220;He that violently bloweth his nose, bringeth out blood&#8221;; and (Mt. 9:17) that if &#8220;new wine,&#8221; i.e. precepts of a perfect life, &#8220;is put into old bottles,&#8221; i.e. into imperfect men, &#8220;the bottles break, and the wine runneth out,&#8221; i.e. the precepts are despised, and those men, from contempt, break into evils worse still.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/FS/FS096.html#FSQ96OUTP1" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/FS/FS096.html#FSQ96OUTP1</a>)</p>
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