And if torture never works, why has it been used all over the world, in all cultures, for thousands of years?

And if astrology never works, why has it been used all over the world, in all cultures, for thousands of years?

Whoever said that waterboarding was a quick method to get information? Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded over an entire month and never gave us useful information.

As torture-apologist Marc Thiessen admits, KSM mocked his CIA interrogators during his March 2003 waterboarding sessions by using his fingers to tick off the number of seconds he would be subjected to near drowning.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/16/2219880/bush-aide-says-ksm-counted-off.html#ixzz1MfemyHeO

Just like special forces operators in the military, terrorists are often trained to endure torture.

When NYC is hit with terror attack under this new program, who will take the responsibility for the deaths? We know Obama will throw others under the bus. He is only directly involved after seeing something is a success and then it was all Barry. So should Obama be impeached for not interrogating the terrorist to stop the attack? I think so and would expect the families of those killed to be very upset and demanding blood.

And if torture never works, why has it been used all over the world, in all cultures, for thousands of years? Terrorist are not in uniform and should be viewed as we would a nazi out of uniform trying to kill US citizens in the states. What did we do to those guys again? What did we do to protect the USA to Japanese and German Americans during WWII? Yes, decades later, the PC crowd appolgized, but no one then was complaining or worried about it. Same with dropping two atomic bombs on Japan. Most who know WWII in depth support both actions.

And now our leader Barry has very quietly signed an exec order to do what…care to guess?

Obama Admin Quietly Ends Immigrant Registration Program That Targeted Men From Muslim Countries:

The U.S. government has ended a controversial counterterrorism program created in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that required men living in the U.S. who came from mostly Muslim countries to register with federal authorities.
Called NSEERS — National Security Entry-Exit Registration System — the program required registration, interviews and fingerprinting of male visitors 16 and older from Muslim nations as well as North Korea.
The program targeted men entering the country as well as more than 80,000 men already in the U.S., about 1,000 of them from metro Detroit. Nearly 13,800 residents were further investigated, and 2,870 were later deported.
The Department of Homeland Security quietly ended the program through a notice buried on its Web site on April 28.

Is such training harsh? Yes. Is it “torture”? Preposterous!

I suspect that Joe feels compelled to defend the indefensible (that the US regularly tortured its own soldiers) because he knows the argument that follows from the denial that such training was torture. If it were conceded that some applications of waterboarding are “not-torture,” this might well mean that some instances of the use of waterboarding against some terrorists, in some instances are also “not-torture.” It would also mean that the debate is not shut-down at the outset by fiat. And it means we should try to have an informed and intelligent debate about what makes some techniques merely “harsh” and permissible rather than “torture” and impermissible.

The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation.

Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal.

Very few ‘detainees’ have actually been captured in the act. Hardly any, in fact. Most were turned over for reward money by others, according to the reports I’ve seen.

Should that count as “doubt… as to whether persons… belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4″?

Vast Conspiritor, At last, a voice of reason on this thread.

Seriously, airy-fairy talk like that is just ear candy for the consumption of Western thinkers. A war is a battle to survive, not an upholding of “our” (which “us” BTW) self-image.