Comments on: James B. Jordan and the Glory of Kings

By: joel in ga

joel in ga — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:34:49 +0000

Rev. Jordan,

what a delight to see your comment next to mine. So I was wondering–any influence from Bonhoeffer?

By: James Jordan

James Jordan — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 02:27:28 +0000

Dear Rusty,

Thank you very much for your kind words. It’s humbling and a bit scary to read such things about oneself.

Bryan, I have tried to explain myself to you, and you don’t seem able to hear. It seems to me that you insist on imposing the nature of the creation upon the life of the Creator. But people can go to the url you listed and decide for themselves.

Cordially,

JBJordan

By: joel in ga

joel in ga — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:24:29 +0000

I’ve read a lot of Jordan’s works in the past. Lately I’ve read a lot of Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s works, his booklet on the Psalms and Cost of Discipleship in particular. Why do I get the impression that Jordan, who was raised Lutheran, got some of his best ideas from Bonhoeffer?

By: Bryan Cross

Bryan Cross — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:37:10 +0000

Jerry,

Jordan claims that God in His divine nature is “maturing or growing…. eternally becoming mature.” That’s altogether different from the Son being “eternally begotten.” Maturing and growing necessarily require intrinsic change; being eternally begotten requires no change, because it is a relation.

In the peace of Christ,

- Bryan

By: James Jordan and the Glory of Kings « The Federal Vision

James Jordan and the Glory of Kings « The Federal Vision — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:12:33 +0000

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By: Jerry

Jerry — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:22:31 +0000

Bryan, I believe that Jordan is using eternally mature as the same idea as eternally begotten as the Creed says. The Son is God of God begotten not made in his divine nature.

I do not think this was a sympathetic read on what Jordan was trying to communicate.

By: Peter Scholtens

Peter Scholtens — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:01:57 +0000

I’ve heard several times about Jim Jordan that when you read him, you think one of two things – either that he’s on to something, or that he’s on something.

By: A Needed Warning About “Worldview Thinking” | Viator Christianus

Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:02:35 +0000

[...] context, and use it as a springboard for some of my own thoughts. The following remark is from R.R. Reno’s introduction to James Jordan’s The Glory of Kings: Thinking about culture—having the conceptual sophistication to identify and analyze cultural [...]

By: Bryan Cross

Bryan Cross — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:58:12 +0000

Rusty,

What puzzles me about your endorsement is Jordan’s claim that the Second Person of the Trinity *in His divine nature* is maturing. (See the link below.) That’s a form of Arianism. I don’t see why you would want to endorse the theology of someone who maintains that the Son *in His divine nature* is maturing.

http://biblicalhorizons.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/biblical-theology-basics-3/

In the peace of Christ,

- Bryan

By: Randy Reno on Jim Jordan « THE AVENUE

Randy Reno on Jim Jordan « THE AVENUE — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:34:06 +0000

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