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	<title>Comments on: Error to Speculate Publicly About Hitchens Becoming Christian</title>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I never heard this one. What did your grade school nuns tell you?&lt;/i&gt;

Pastor Spomer,

I don&#039;t want to make it sound like it is—or ever was (I went to grade school in the 1950s)—a part of a Catholic education that Luther reconciled with the Catholic Church on his deathbed, but I think there was a belief among certain Catholic circles—which may have been passed on in comments by certain Catholic teachers in the &quot;old days&quot;—that Luther regretted his actions, and some even attribute to the dying Luther this quote: &quot;&quot;It is easier to live as a Protestant, but better to die as a Catholic.&quot; Some further speculate (or claim) that he repented on his deathbed. 

I can&#039;t endorse this web site, because I stumbled upon it today and have read only part of &lt;a href=&quot;http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2011/05/did-luther-regret-reformation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page,&lt;/a&gt; but it seems to explain rather well how some Catholics made the case that Luther regretted his actions (which I take to be false).

It&#039;s good to remember that grade school nuns of the 1950s were from another era. I remember my sixth-grade teacher, Sister Giulietta, whom some of my classmates claim had taught their parents and was old even then, insisted that no one who wore boots to school on a rainy day could leave them on in class because, you see, it was bad for your eyes. I believe the theory, clearly an old wives&#039; tale, was that boots would cause your feet to sweat and draw moisture away from your eyes. 

I remember my sister telling about one of her teachers in high school, a very elderly nun, who would get angry because none of her students could name all of the Twelve Commandments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I never heard this one. What did your grade school nuns tell you?</i></p>
<p>Pastor Spomer,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to make it sound like it is—or ever was (I went to grade school in the 1950s)—a part of a Catholic education that Luther reconciled with the Catholic Church on his deathbed, but I think there was a belief among certain Catholic circles—which may have been passed on in comments by certain Catholic teachers in the &#8220;old days&#8221;—that Luther regretted his actions, and some even attribute to the dying Luther this quote: &#8220;&#8221;It is easier to live as a Protestant, but better to die as a Catholic.&#8221; Some further speculate (or claim) that he repented on his deathbed. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t endorse this web site, because I stumbled upon it today and have read only part of <a href="http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2011/05/did-luther-regret-reformation.html" rel="nofollow">this page,</a> but it seems to explain rather well how some Catholics made the case that Luther regretted his actions (which I take to be false).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to remember that grade school nuns of the 1950s were from another era. I remember my sixth-grade teacher, Sister Giulietta, whom some of my classmates claim had taught their parents and was old even then, insisted that no one who wore boots to school on a rainy day could leave them on in class because, you see, it was bad for your eyes. I believe the theory, clearly an old wives&#8217; tale, was that boots would cause your feet to sweat and draw moisture away from your eyes. </p>
<p>I remember my sister telling about one of her teachers in high school, a very elderly nun, who would get angry because none of her students could name all of the Twelve Commandments.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 06:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it difficult to believe that Mark Judge read Hitchens&#039; essay at all.  In it, Hitchens quite clearly states he has never been a wholehearted fan of Nietzsche, especially in his contempt for democracy and &quot;the masses.&quot;  Hitchens&#039; atheism owes more to Karl Marx and maybe Bertrand Russell than to Nietzsche.

The fact that Hitchens is able to write an essay dispensing with one of Nietzsche&#039;s more famous aphorisms (and one that was possibly intended ironically by Nietzsche himself) doesn&#039;t seem to carry any wider significance about a change in worldview.

I wouldn&#039;t say Judge&#039;s essay is in poor taste -- it&#039;s just ignorant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it difficult to believe that Mark Judge read Hitchens&#8217; essay at all.  In it, Hitchens quite clearly states he has never been a wholehearted fan of Nietzsche, especially in his contempt for democracy and &#8220;the masses.&#8221;  Hitchens&#8217; atheism owes more to Karl Marx and maybe Bertrand Russell than to Nietzsche.</p>
<p>The fact that Hitchens is able to write an essay dispensing with one of Nietzsche&#8217;s more famous aphorisms (and one that was possibly intended ironically by Nietzsche himself) doesn&#8217;t seem to carry any wider significance about a change in worldview.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say Judge&#8217;s essay is in poor taste &#8212; it&#8217;s just ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too many American Christians have always done  much public talking about famous figures and Christian faith whether gloating or bemoaning or wondering. Tongues waging are no Christian tesimony.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many American Christians have always done  much public talking about famous figures and Christian faith whether gloating or bemoaning or wondering. Tongues waging are no Christian tesimony.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Spomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastor Spomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If Luther converted on his deathbed, why not Christopher Hitchens? Or did my grade school nuns get something wrong?&quot;

I never heard this one.  What did your grade school nuns tell you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Luther converted on his deathbed, why not Christopher Hitchens? Or did my grade school nuns get something wrong?&#8221;</p>
<p>I never heard this one.  What did your grade school nuns tell you?</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 22:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Luther converted on his deathbed, why not Christopher Hitchens? Or did my grade school nuns get something wrong?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Luther converted on his deathbed, why not Christopher Hitchens? Or did my grade school nuns get something wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Quine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 21:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hitch did predict that these kinds of stories would come around. If you want to get his state of mind straight from him, read his article from just this week:
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2012/01/hitchens-201201]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitch did predict that these kinds of stories would come around. If you want to get his state of mind straight from him, read his article from just this week:<br />
<a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2012/01/hitchens-201201" rel="nofollow">http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2012/01/hitchens-201201</a></p>
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		<title>By: pentamom</title>
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		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even without the gloating angle, assuming it is being done in the most positive and charitable way imaginable, it just seems wrong on every level to publicly speculate about the condition of another person&#039;s soul, as opposed to discussing his words or actions. If anything, this conversation should be had *with* Hitchens (as in an interview or something) not *about* him as though he&#039;s a lab rat.

Besides what Raymond said. I don&#039;t think we should be motivated by &quot;whether this would cause a bad reaction in Hitchens&quot; very much, if our motives are otherwise good and our actions wise, but more as a Golden Rule thing -- who among us would want to be the subject of a conversation like this????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even without the gloating angle, assuming it is being done in the most positive and charitable way imaginable, it just seems wrong on every level to publicly speculate about the condition of another person&#8217;s soul, as opposed to discussing his words or actions. If anything, this conversation should be had *with* Hitchens (as in an interview or something) not *about* him as though he&#8217;s a lab rat.</p>
<p>Besides what Raymond said. I don&#8217;t think we should be motivated by &#8220;whether this would cause a bad reaction in Hitchens&#8221; very much, if our motives are otherwise good and our actions wise, but more as a Golden Rule thing &#8212; who among us would want to be the subject of a conversation like this????</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“If you heard a marketer brag that he targets people who’ve been diagnosed with terminal illnesses because they’re easier targets, or a guy say he likes to cruise funerals because grieving women are easier to pick up, you’d think that person had no morals at all. But targeting people in moments of weakness to sell them religion is regarded as a normal and even virtuous strategy for proselytizing.” – Amanda Marcotte&lt;/i&gt;

Bit dishonest to pretend that there&#039;s no difference between selling a product for profit vs. doing something because you genuinely believe it&#039;s helpful and beneficial to the person receiving it.

Christians do not get commissions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“If you heard a marketer brag that he targets people who’ve been diagnosed with terminal illnesses because they’re easier targets, or a guy say he likes to cruise funerals because grieving women are easier to pick up, you’d think that person had no morals at all. But targeting people in moments of weakness to sell them religion is regarded as a normal and even virtuous strategy for proselytizing.” – Amanda Marcotte</i></p>
<p>Bit dishonest to pretend that there&#8217;s no difference between selling a product for profit vs. doing something because you genuinely believe it&#8217;s helpful and beneficial to the person receiving it.</p>
<p>Christians do not get commissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leave the poor guy alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave the poor guy alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 18:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If you heard a marketer brag that he targets people who&#039;ve been diagnosed with terminal illnesses because they&#039;re easier targets, or a guy say he likes to cruise funerals because grieving women are easier to pick up, you&#039;d think that person had no morals at all. But targeting people in moments of weakness to sell them religion is regarded as a normal and even virtuous strategy for proselytizing.&quot; - Amanda Marcotte]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you heard a marketer brag that he targets people who&#8217;ve been diagnosed with terminal illnesses because they&#8217;re easier targets, or a guy say he likes to cruise funerals because grieving women are easier to pick up, you&#8217;d think that person had no morals at all. But targeting people in moments of weakness to sell them religion is regarded as a normal and even virtuous strategy for proselytizing.&#8221; &#8211; Amanda Marcotte</p>
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