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		<title>By: Michael H. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/12/28/why-christianity-is-losing-america/comment-page-1/#comment-57013</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael H. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why I cringe when I hear the term, &quot;faith based!&quot; If anything is faith based it is the many &quot;gods&quot; of liberalism, none of which can be proven by even secular science but must be accepted on pure faith, like man-caused global warming, Darwinism, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I cringe when I hear the term, &#8220;faith based!&#8221; If anything is faith based it is the many &#8220;gods&#8221; of liberalism, none of which can be proven by even secular science but must be accepted on pure faith, like man-caused global warming, Darwinism, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/12/28/why-christianity-is-losing-america/comment-page-1/#comment-56799</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;which privilege a small section of people over the vast majority, are more important than searching for truth that demands allegiance by all.&lt;/i&gt;

This is why I oppose the unlimited expansion of the humanist &quot;religion&quot; deriving from the so-called Enlightenment: it naturally privileges a small section of people over the vast majority.

Its elites - self-proclaimed &quot;Experts&quot; - are taken to be more Enlightened than others, creating a hierarchical structure that is rigid and authoritarian in a way that reminds me of the Inquisition (though hopefully we are capable of learning from our past and will not let secular humanist priests get so out of control as Christian priests once did!!!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>which privilege a small section of people over the vast majority, are more important than searching for truth that demands allegiance by all.</i></p>
<p>This is why I oppose the unlimited expansion of the humanist &#8220;religion&#8221; deriving from the so-called Enlightenment: it naturally privileges a small section of people over the vast majority.</p>
<p>Its elites &#8211; self-proclaimed &#8220;Experts&#8221; &#8211; are taken to be more Enlightened than others, creating a hierarchical structure that is rigid and authoritarian in a way that reminds me of the Inquisition (though hopefully we are capable of learning from our past and will not let secular humanist priests get so out of control as Christian priests once did!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Ashish Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/12/28/why-christianity-is-losing-america/comment-page-1/#comment-56789</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashish Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Secularization is an attempt to make Christian doctrines more palatable in a multicultural situation. But in multicultural, multi-religious countries like India, many are resisting secularism precisely for this reason: its Christian roots. This attempt is combined with the effort to go back to a mythic past where ingenious stories, which privilege a small section of people over the vast majority, are more important than searching for truth that demands allegiance by all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secularization is an attempt to make Christian doctrines more palatable in a multicultural situation. But in multicultural, multi-religious countries like India, many are resisting secularism precisely for this reason: its Christian roots. This attempt is combined with the effort to go back to a mythic past where ingenious stories, which privilege a small section of people over the vast majority, are more important than searching for truth that demands allegiance by all.</p>
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		<title>By: BrainStorms &#38; ThoughtBolts #18: 5 Year Olds, How Fail Well, Christianity Losing America, Updates from Andy and More - Randy Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/12/28/why-christianity-is-losing-america/comment-page-1/#comment-56788</link>
		<dc:creator>BrainStorms &#38; ThoughtBolts #18: 5 Year Olds, How Fail Well, Christianity Losing America, Updates from Andy and More - Randy Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Now this article, Answering Questions People Actually Ask, has amazing stats and graphics on how our culture thinks about the meaning and purpose of life. It&#8217;s kind of startling actually. Speaking of startling, read&#160;Why Christianity is Losing America. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now this article, Answering Questions People Actually Ask, has amazing stats and graphics on how our culture thinks about the meaning and purpose of life. It&#8217;s kind of startling actually. Speaking of startling, read&nbsp;Why Christianity is Losing America. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then again, it may have something more to do with the concept of truth claims and how thinking about them has developed over time, as outlined in &lt;a href=&quot;http://lesswrong.com/lw/i8/religions_claim_to_be_nondisprovable/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;.

The main point of intersection with Mr. Mangalwadi&#039;s article seems to be the first sentence of the fourth paragraph, viz.: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Back in the old days, people actually &lt;i&gt;believed&lt;/i&gt; their religions instead of just &lt;i&gt;believing in&lt;/i&gt; them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have not reproduced the links in that sentence, but they may be worth following.

I am not affiliated with that site, nor even a registered commenter there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, it may have something more to do with the concept of truth claims and how thinking about them has developed over time, as outlined in <a href="http://lesswrong.com/lw/i8/religions_claim_to_be_nondisprovable/" rel="nofollow">this article</a>.</p>
<p>The main point of intersection with Mr. Mangalwadi&#8217;s article seems to be the first sentence of the fourth paragraph, viz.: </p>
<blockquote><p>Back in the old days, people actually <i>believed</i> their religions instead of just <i>believing in</i> them.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have not reproduced the links in that sentence, but they may be worth following.</p>
<p>I am not affiliated with that site, nor even a registered commenter there.</p>
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		<title>By: Felapton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felapton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I understand what the students meant when they said, &quot;Even if the incarnation and resurrection are not &#039;true,&#039; one should continue to believe in them.&quot;

Interpretation of Scripture always involves both the literal and allegorical senses. Obviously, in the case of the incarnation (and resurrection) the literal sense has to be true, i.e., it has to have happened, or all of Christianity is a waste of time, as St. Paul says.

But when speaking of God, the literal is necessarily metaphorical to some extent; there is simply no other way space-delimited, time-delimited mortals can talk about Him.

God did not become incarnate in the same way we do, and he did not rise from the dead in the same way as, for example, Lazarus or the man in II Kings 13:20.

So, if you learned the incarnation was not like the incarnation of a normal human, for example, that Christ did not have an appendix or developed a notochord, would you stop believing? But wouldn&#039;t this mean, to some degree that the incarnation was &quot;not quite true?&quot; Or if you read that the resurrected Christ was able to pass through walls and be in multiple places at the same time, would you stop believing in the resurrection?

How different can the phenomenon be, when it occurs in the divine order, from its way of occurring in the human order, before we say the doctrine is &quot;not true?&quot; That&#039;s the question the students seem to have thought they had been asked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I understand what the students meant when they said, &#8220;Even if the incarnation and resurrection are not &#8216;true,&#8217; one should continue to believe in them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interpretation of Scripture always involves both the literal and allegorical senses. Obviously, in the case of the incarnation (and resurrection) the literal sense has to be true, i.e., it has to have happened, or all of Christianity is a waste of time, as St. Paul says.</p>
<p>But when speaking of God, the literal is necessarily metaphorical to some extent; there is simply no other way space-delimited, time-delimited mortals can talk about Him.</p>
<p>God did not become incarnate in the same way we do, and he did not rise from the dead in the same way as, for example, Lazarus or the man in II Kings 13:20.</p>
<p>So, if you learned the incarnation was not like the incarnation of a normal human, for example, that Christ did not have an appendix or developed a notochord, would you stop believing? But wouldn&#8217;t this mean, to some degree that the incarnation was &#8220;not quite true?&#8221; Or if you read that the resurrected Christ was able to pass through walls and be in multiple places at the same time, would you stop believing in the resurrection?</p>
<p>How different can the phenomenon be, when it occurs in the divine order, from its way of occurring in the human order, before we say the doctrine is &#8220;not true?&#8221; That&#8217;s the question the students seem to have thought they had been asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolli Asaro</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/12/28/why-christianity-is-losing-america/comment-page-1/#comment-56753</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolli Asaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see a  spelling error in my post above.  The word &quot;with&quot; in the fifth sentence should be &quot;without&quot; reading His words in the Bible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a  spelling error in my post above.  The word &#8220;with&#8221; in the fifth sentence should be &#8220;without&#8221; reading His words in the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolli Asaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dolli Asaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you know what is missing from all the information I have just read and the comments.
It is the person of Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God who died for us on the Cross.  It is not religion, it is personal relationship with HIM.  He is the TRUTH.  You cannot know him intimately with reading HIS words in the Bible. We who believe and trust in our Savior live in his Kingdom.  He is the source of all good.  He is the benefactor of all our needs. Our relationship with Jesus is spiritual. We live in this material world
that He spoke into being.  Science is all about what you can see in this physical realm.  Consider Jesus in all your ways and He will direct your steps on this earth. He is our Life and the length of our Days.  Read Psalm 119.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know what is missing from all the information I have just read and the comments.<br />
It is the person of Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God who died for us on the Cross.  It is not religion, it is personal relationship with HIM.  He is the TRUTH.  You cannot know him intimately with reading HIS words in the Bible. We who believe and trust in our Savior live in his Kingdom.  He is the source of all good.  He is the benefactor of all our needs. Our relationship with Jesus is spiritual. We live in this material world<br />
that He spoke into being.  Science is all about what you can see in this physical realm.  Consider Jesus in all your ways and He will direct your steps on this earth. He is our Life and the length of our Days.  Read Psalm 119.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ingles</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/12/28/why-christianity-is-losing-america/comment-page-1/#comment-56746</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vishal Mangalwadi - &lt;blockquote&gt;That is why evolution has turned into dogmatic “occultism” (Rodney Stark) where non-initiated intellectuals are not allowed to ask for evidence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Er... nuh-uh. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The problem is getting people to actually look at the evidence available&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vishal Mangalwadi &#8211;<br />
<blockquote>That is why evolution has turned into dogmatic “occultism” (Rodney Stark) where non-initiated intellectuals are not allowed to ask for evidence.</p></blockquote>
<p>Er&#8230; nuh-uh. <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/" rel="nofollow">The problem is getting people to actually look at the evidence available</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 01:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blake,

I&#039;m not surprised to see you come to the defense of simplified versions of history. The Christianity of the Enlightenment and the materialism of two thousand years of Christian thinking slip right past you because it&#039;s not convenient for your tidy packages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised to see you come to the defense of simplified versions of history. The Christianity of the Enlightenment and the materialism of two thousand years of Christian thinking slip right past you because it&#8217;s not convenient for your tidy packages.</p>
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