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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/04/leithart-on-the-eucharist/comment-page-1/#comment-65342</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 03:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Protestants cannot receive absolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Protestants cannot receive absolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;June 6th, 2012 &#124; 10:44 am

Crowhill also said: On the just plain weird side — Some people think they need to protect God

Yes, how weird to treat the most precious gift in the world as something precious. &lt;/i&gt;

It is not God that needs protection, but our ability to separate the sacred.

When we lose that ability, we lose our access to the sacred.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>June 6th, 2012 | 10:44 am</p>
<p>Crowhill also said: On the just plain weird side — Some people think they need to protect God</p>
<p>Yes, how weird to treat the most precious gift in the world as something precious. </i></p>
<p>It is not God that needs protection, but our ability to separate the sacred.</p>
<p>When we lose that ability, we lose our access to the sacred.</p>
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		<title>By: Slats Grobnik</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/04/leithart-on-the-eucharist/comment-page-1/#comment-65267</link>
		<dc:creator>Slats Grobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 14:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Crowhill also said: On the just plain weird side — Some people think they need to protect God

Yes, how weird to treat the most precious gift in the world as something precious.  

I recall a year or so ago hearing about some cutesy minister giving communion to a dog to make it feel included.  I don&#039;t think anyone thought that God was thereby &quot;injured,&quot; but I do believe that such an action reveals a shocking lack of reverence, piety, and love that we should have towards Our Lord whose death on the cross for our sins was the cost of this gift of his Body. 

Avoiding the desecration of the Blessed Sacrament is an act of love towards God, but also towards those who love God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crowhill also said: On the just plain weird side — Some people think they need to protect God</p>
<p>Yes, how weird to treat the most precious gift in the world as something precious.  </p>
<p>I recall a year or so ago hearing about some cutesy minister giving communion to a dog to make it feel included.  I don&#8217;t think anyone thought that God was thereby &#8220;injured,&#8221; but I do believe that such an action reveals a shocking lack of reverence, piety, and love that we should have towards Our Lord whose death on the cross for our sins was the cost of this gift of his Body. </p>
<p>Avoiding the desecration of the Blessed Sacrament is an act of love towards God, but also towards those who love God.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;There is one verse in the Bible that warns people that taking the Eucharist inappropriately could be a bad thing.
-- Crowhill

 ... they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins … Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again.
-- St. Ignatius, a disciple of the Apostle John

Nobody’s really sure what constitutes receiving inappropriately, and the evidence that the bad things that happened in Paul’s time still happen now is somewhere between slim and none — trending strongly towards none.
-- Crowhill
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The Real Presence is the same now as it was in the beginning. If it was a serious matter to receive unworthily then, it is now. Our perception of whether or not the consequences of receiving unworthily are the same is not really the point. I suspect there are still negative consequences to receiving unworthily.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>There is one verse in the Bible that warns people that taking the Eucharist inappropriately could be a bad thing.<br />
&#8211; Crowhill</p>
<p> &#8230; they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins … Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again.<br />
&#8211; St. Ignatius, a disciple of the Apostle John</p>
<p>Nobody’s really sure what constitutes receiving inappropriately, and the evidence that the bad things that happened in Paul’s time still happen now is somewhere between slim and none — trending strongly towards none.<br />
&#8211; Crowhill<br />
</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The Real Presence is the same now as it was in the beginning. If it was a serious matter to receive unworthily then, it is now. Our perception of whether or not the consequences of receiving unworthily are the same is not really the point. I suspect there are still negative consequences to receiving unworthily.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 19:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Sally R.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;Hm. Can a non-Catholic receive sacramental absolution of their sins in confession?&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, some non-Catholics can, under certain circumstances (canon 844 § 4). I am not a Canon lawyer, but I would read that canon as saying that these are (generally) the non-Catholics whom we also happen to admit to our communion, if they request it: Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, and the Polish National Catholic Churches. Possibly, a Protestant could, but the canon requires the Catholic faith with respect to this sacrament, and I doubt many Protestants hold to that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Sally R.</b> <i>Hm. Can a non-Catholic receive sacramental absolution of their sins in confession?</i></p>
<p>Actually, some non-Catholics can, under certain circumstances (canon 844 § 4). I am not a Canon lawyer, but I would read that canon as saying that these are (generally) the non-Catholics whom we also happen to admit to our communion, if they request it: Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, and the Polish National Catholic Churches. Possibly, a Protestant could, but the canon requires the Catholic faith with respect to this sacrament, and I doubt many Protestants hold to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If we are indeed members of it, then we should eat in fellowship with our fellow members.&quot;

Very true.

And not just incidentally, when you happen to be around, but all the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If we are indeed members of it, then we should eat in fellowship with our fellow members.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true.</p>
<p>And not just incidentally, when you happen to be around, but all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hm.  Can a non-Catholic receive sacramental absolution of their sins in confession?  I don&#039;t really know the answer.  Funny how I&#039;ve never heard a Protestant complain about being excluded from the confessional!   Although I suppose there&#039;s nothing stopping them from getting in the box and confessing their sins.  

I think I recall a priest saying that from time to time a non-Catholic would show up and confess their sins, and instead of saying the usual words of absolution he&#039;d say something like - God has heard your plea for forgiveness, and no sin is too great for his mercy.  Or something like that.  But I don&#039;t think that it &quot;counted&quot; as a sacrament, did it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm.  Can a non-Catholic receive sacramental absolution of their sins in confession?  I don&#8217;t really know the answer.  Funny how I&#8217;ve never heard a Protestant complain about being excluded from the confessional!   Although I suppose there&#8217;s nothing stopping them from getting in the box and confessing their sins.  </p>
<p>I think I recall a priest saying that from time to time a non-Catholic would show up and confess their sins, and instead of saying the usual words of absolution he&#8217;d say something like &#8211; God has heard your plea for forgiveness, and no sin is too great for his mercy.  Or something like that.  But I don&#8217;t think that it &#8220;counted&#8221; as a sacrament, did it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you Protestants who desire Catholic communion observing the requirements we place on ourselves? Even &lt;i&gt;Catholics&lt;/i&gt; aren&#039;t supposed to receive communion in the Catholic Church if they are not properly disposed: an examination of conscience, penance for grave sin, abstinence of food and certain drinks for at least one hour, etc. Note that grave sin includes willfully missing Mass during the summer because you can&#039;t be bothered to find a Church while on vacation.

Of course, a priest won&#039;t say to Joe McPew, &quot;Joe, I haven&#039;t seen you at confession for quite a while, you missed Mass all last August, and the grapevine tells me you&#039;ve been hanging around a young lady who isn&#039;t your wife. Sorry, no Jesus bread for you!&quot; Likewise, if a Protestant approaches, the priest probably won&#039;t know, most Catholics probably won&#039;t notice, and many who do won&#039;t care. Those who do notice will likely say something quietly, rather than make a scene. 

That said, unless you&#039;re willing to go to a Catholic priest and make a confession of your sins, which is what &lt;i&gt;we&#039;re&lt;/i&gt; supposed to do, and &lt;i&gt;with good reason&lt;/i&gt; (someone else already cited St. Paul, though with different intent, I suppose), complaints that you feel excluded aren&#039;t well-founded. If you want to feel included, then get busy including yourself in the fullness of faith!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you Protestants who desire Catholic communion observing the requirements we place on ourselves? Even <i>Catholics</i> aren&#8217;t supposed to receive communion in the Catholic Church if they are not properly disposed: an examination of conscience, penance for grave sin, abstinence of food and certain drinks for at least one hour, etc. Note that grave sin includes willfully missing Mass during the summer because you can&#8217;t be bothered to find a Church while on vacation.</p>
<p>Of course, a priest won&#8217;t say to Joe McPew, &#8220;Joe, I haven&#8217;t seen you at confession for quite a while, you missed Mass all last August, and the grapevine tells me you&#8217;ve been hanging around a young lady who isn&#8217;t your wife. Sorry, no Jesus bread for you!&#8221; Likewise, if a Protestant approaches, the priest probably won&#8217;t know, most Catholics probably won&#8217;t notice, and many who do won&#8217;t care. Those who do notice will likely say something quietly, rather than make a scene. </p>
<p>That said, unless you&#8217;re willing to go to a Catholic priest and make a confession of your sins, which is what <i>we&#8217;re</i> supposed to do, and <i>with good reason</i> (someone else already cited St. Paul, though with different intent, I suppose), complaints that you feel excluded aren&#8217;t well-founded. If you want to feel included, then get busy including yourself in the fullness of faith!</p>
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		<title>By: Slats Grobnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slats Grobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 16:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark - I understand how it would feel awkward to be with a loved one and not be able to receive communion.  There&#039;s a lot to be said for doing things for the sake of friendship and neighborliness, and I don&#039;t mean to discount those things.  

I did not understand that Peter Leithart&#039;s (sp?) point to be about this kind of neighborliness though - I thought he was saying that it&#039;s simply wrong theology for a Church to have any restrictions on who should receive communion.  So even if he didn&#039;t know anyone at the Church, he should be able to walk in and go to communion as his right as a Christian.

But as a Catholic, it would make me feel like I was lying if I lined up and went to communion or the Lord&#039;s Supper ceremony at some other Church.   I&#039;d rather have the momentary discomfort of skipping reception than the lingering doubt about what it was I just said &quot;Amen&quot; to.  (assuming they say Amen - I really don&#039;t even know the logistics of how it works).  

Would you want to go to an Anglican church if your mom wasn&#039;t there and go to communion?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; I understand how it would feel awkward to be with a loved one and not be able to receive communion.  There&#8217;s a lot to be said for doing things for the sake of friendship and neighborliness, and I don&#8217;t mean to discount those things.  </p>
<p>I did not understand that Peter Leithart&#8217;s (sp?) point to be about this kind of neighborliness though &#8211; I thought he was saying that it&#8217;s simply wrong theology for a Church to have any restrictions on who should receive communion.  So even if he didn&#8217;t know anyone at the Church, he should be able to walk in and go to communion as his right as a Christian.</p>
<p>But as a Catholic, it would make me feel like I was lying if I lined up and went to communion or the Lord&#8217;s Supper ceremony at some other Church.   I&#8217;d rather have the momentary discomfort of skipping reception than the lingering doubt about what it was I just said &#8220;Amen&#8221; to.  (assuming they say Amen &#8211; I really don&#8217;t even know the logistics of how it works).  </p>
<p>Would you want to go to an Anglican church if your mom wasn&#8217;t there and go to communion?</p>
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		<title>By: DBP+</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBP+</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 16:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my Episcopal parish, I routinely invite &quot;all baptized Christians&quot; to come and receive Communion, remark that there is a blessing available for those who desire that instead, and simply leave it at that. It is assumed that that the non-baptized then select themselves out. It is likewise assumed through the participation of the liturgy that anyone who comes forward after the Proclamation of the Word, Creed, Confession, and Absolution goes forward to the altar with proper intent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my Episcopal parish, I routinely invite &#8220;all baptized Christians&#8221; to come and receive Communion, remark that there is a blessing available for those who desire that instead, and simply leave it at that. It is assumed that that the non-baptized then select themselves out. It is likewise assumed through the participation of the liturgy that anyone who comes forward after the Proclamation of the Word, Creed, Confession, and Absolution goes forward to the altar with proper intent.</p>
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