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		<title>By: Michael PS</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/19/philanthropy-and-state-power/comment-page-1/#comment-65686</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael PS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Altogether too optimistic

One cannot but recall the declaration of August 18, 1792: “A State that is truly free ought not to suffer within its bosom any corporation, not even such as, being dedicated to public instruction, have merited well of the country”

Yes, private property had been declared an inviolable and sacred right, but to the truly philosophical jurist with a craving for the natural, corporations such as dioceses, parishes, religious orders, universities, trade guilds were mere fictitious persons.  To whom, therefore, did all these lands and buildings, rents and revenues really belong?  To the present members?  Surely not, for they were not free to deal with them as they wished or to divide them amongst themselves.  So, as we all know, they were declared to be, in effect, ownerless and, thus, the goods of the nation.  It was the same with the communes, the towns and the villages (There was a great deal of village property, under the Ancien Régime)

Now, even the Revolutionary legislators spared partnerships, and for a long time now, France has provided a legal framework for all sorts of groups, provided (but notice this) that these groups’ one and only object is to make a profit.  

Following the French example, modern States seem to think that selfish people who want dividends should be given every encouragement, while they remain deeply suspicious of the comparatively unselfish people who want to combine for some religious, charitable, literary, scientific, artistic or even sporting purposes.  The reasons are precisely those outlined in Mr Forster’s article]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Altogether too optimistic</p>
<p>One cannot but recall the declaration of August 18, 1792: “A State that is truly free ought not to suffer within its bosom any corporation, not even such as, being dedicated to public instruction, have merited well of the country”</p>
<p>Yes, private property had been declared an inviolable and sacred right, but to the truly philosophical jurist with a craving for the natural, corporations such as dioceses, parishes, religious orders, universities, trade guilds were mere fictitious persons.  To whom, therefore, did all these lands and buildings, rents and revenues really belong?  To the present members?  Surely not, for they were not free to deal with them as they wished or to divide them amongst themselves.  So, as we all know, they were declared to be, in effect, ownerless and, thus, the goods of the nation.  It was the same with the communes, the towns and the villages (There was a great deal of village property, under the Ancien Régime)</p>
<p>Now, even the Revolutionary legislators spared partnerships, and for a long time now, France has provided a legal framework for all sorts of groups, provided (but notice this) that these groups’ one and only object is to make a profit.  </p>
<p>Following the French example, modern States seem to think that selfish people who want dividends should be given every encouragement, while they remain deeply suspicious of the comparatively unselfish people who want to combine for some religious, charitable, literary, scientific, artistic or even sporting purposes.  The reasons are precisely those outlined in Mr Forster’s article</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/19/philanthropy-and-state-power/comment-page-1/#comment-65685</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Forster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There were philanthropists on both sides in the 20th century. You&#039;ve heard more about the destructive ones because they&#039;re held up as heroes. 

But my real point is about what could be done, not what has been done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were philanthropists on both sides in the 20th century. You&#8217;ve heard more about the destructive ones because they&#8217;re held up as heroes. </p>
<p>But my real point is about what could be done, not what has been done.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Snow</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/19/philanthropy-and-state-power/comment-page-1/#comment-65683</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Now, the practical question becomes: what institutions is the democratic state unable to “mess with” too much without undermining its own authority?&quot;

And what about the Church? But of course, property rights holds more allegiance for most.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now, the practical question becomes: what institutions is the democratic state unable to “mess with” too much without undermining its own authority?&#8221;</p>
<p>And what about the Church? But of course, property rights holds more allegiance for most.</p>
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		<title>By: Millennial Catholics Pantheon Food Justice Cubit Noahs Ark International Eucharistic Congress SSPX &#124; Big Pulpit</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/19/philanthropy-and-state-power/comment-page-1/#comment-65680</link>
		<dc:creator>Millennial Catholics Pantheon Food Justice Cubit Noahs Ark International Eucharistic Congress SSPX &#124; Big Pulpit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Philanthropy and State Power &#8211; Greg Forster, First Things/First Thoughts [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Philanthropy and State Power &#8211; Greg Forster, First Things/First Thoughts [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 04:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I entirely fail to follow the chain of implication. The writer says
&quot;The sanctity of property and exchange is one of the bedrock principles of modern society&quot;.
From this how does &quot;This implies philanthropists and grantmaking foundations could become more intentional about serving as mediating institutions and cultivating alternative social space against the dominance of the state.&quot;?

The reality is that the grantmaking institutions in 20C were very much involved in furthering the progressive enterprise of destroying traditional mediating institutions between the State and the individual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I entirely fail to follow the chain of implication. The writer says<br />
&#8220;The sanctity of property and exchange is one of the bedrock principles of modern society&#8221;.<br />
From this how does &#8220;This implies philanthropists and grantmaking foundations could become more intentional about serving as mediating institutions and cultivating alternative social space against the dominance of the state.&#8221;?</p>
<p>The reality is that the grantmaking institutions in 20C were very much involved in furthering the progressive enterprise of destroying traditional mediating institutions between the State and the individual.</p>
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