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		<title>By: Best of the Interwebs! &#171; thescarletapple</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/22/the-agonies-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-66241</link>
		<dc:creator>Best of the Interwebs! &#171; thescarletapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] piece for The Atlantic regarding the myth that women can have it all, which has in turn created heady debate. The debate about what feminism is is certainly warring on &#8211; is it choice, equality, WHAT [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] piece for The Atlantic regarding the myth that women can have it all, which has in turn created heady debate. The debate about what feminism is is certainly warring on &#8211; is it choice, equality, WHAT [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sergio Méndez</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/22/the-agonies-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-66000</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio Méndez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading this, I will just ask one question to anti feminists: Why is that raising kids is a problem only for women &quot;to have it all&quot; but not for men?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this, I will just ask one question to anti feminists: Why is that raising kids is a problem only for women &#8220;to have it all&#8221; but not for men?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/22/the-agonies-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-65984</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark,

I was just spoofing Blake&#039;s customary exaggerations. The examples of sailors and soldiers are good, though. They fly in the face of his usual argument about two parents and the liberal destruction of all good things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>I was just spoofing Blake&#8217;s customary exaggerations. The examples of sailors and soldiers are good, though. They fly in the face of his usual argument about two parents and the liberal destruction of all good things.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/22/the-agonies-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-65938</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 03:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Fathers were forced to be separated from their children by so-called enlightened child labor laws (which were really just a naked power grab by members of the humanist religion or Unitarian Universalists). Moreover, children were forced to be separated from their grandparents by other liberal programs that forced home ownership, the formation of nuclear rather than extended families, and the interstate highway system.&quot;

Huh? Men in the military or who spent their lives at sea were separated from their children for years. A man with an 8-5 job has it easy compared to men who were historically in these essential professions.

Living with the extended family has been less common in Western Europe than in Asia for hundreds of years and this cultural difference was carried across the Atlantic and reinforced by individualism and cheap land. &quot;Liberal programs&quot; had nothing to do with it. Nobody is forced to move out of their parents&#039; house -- it just so happens that most Americans do not want to live with their parents when they become adults.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fathers were forced to be separated from their children by so-called enlightened child labor laws (which were really just a naked power grab by members of the humanist religion or Unitarian Universalists). Moreover, children were forced to be separated from their grandparents by other liberal programs that forced home ownership, the formation of nuclear rather than extended families, and the interstate highway system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Huh? Men in the military or who spent their lives at sea were separated from their children for years. A man with an 8-5 job has it easy compared to men who were historically in these essential professions.</p>
<p>Living with the extended family has been less common in Western Europe than in Asia for hundreds of years and this cultural difference was carried across the Atlantic and reinforced by individualism and cheap land. &#8220;Liberal programs&#8221; had nothing to do with it. Nobody is forced to move out of their parents&#8217; house &#8212; it just so happens that most Americans do not want to live with their parents when they become adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/22/the-agonies-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-65916</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And please notice that I didn&#039;t say that wives are degraded. I&#039;m saying that men should spend more time with their children. I don&#039;t know where you got the degrading idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And please notice that I didn&#8217;t say that wives are degraded. I&#8217;m saying that men should spend more time with their children. I don&#8217;t know where you got the degrading idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/22/the-agonies-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-65913</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blake,

So you think it&#039;s right that fathers spend so little time with their kids? You seem to watch a lot of movies. Have you noticed how many complain about absent fathers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake,</p>
<p>So you think it&#8217;s right that fathers spend so little time with their kids? You seem to watch a lot of movies. Have you noticed how many complain about absent fathers?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles R. Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/22/the-agonies-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-65899</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles R. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you have more options, choice and compromise are necessary. What price then will the rest of us pay so that women who want to &quot;have it all&quot; can &quot;have it all&quot;? The rest of us is children, old people, men, and women who have chosen and compromised and are content with their choices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have more options, choice and compromise are necessary. What price then will the rest of us pay so that women who want to &#8220;have it all&#8221; can &#8220;have it all&#8221;? The rest of us is children, old people, men, and women who have chosen and compromised and are content with their choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article discusses the fact that most elite jobs eat the lives of those who hold them, and that society does not benefit from a world where the important decisions are all made by people who gave up their private lives.  She states that there are a number of easy ways for employers to allow more actual life balance so that no one has to chose between a family and a paycheck. Why does anyone object to this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article discusses the fact that most elite jobs eat the lives of those who hold them, and that society does not benefit from a world where the important decisions are all made by people who gave up their private lives.  She states that there are a number of easy ways for employers to allow more actual life balance so that no one has to chose between a family and a paycheck. Why does anyone object to this?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/22/the-agonies-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-65889</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The problem with men is that they don’t have a place in their worldview for the raising of children as an inherently valuable activity. They think they are “too valuable” for what they view as menial and trivial work, and so if they can’t get as wife to do that work, they hire a string of strangers who see their children more than they do.&lt;/i&gt;

Only a liberal could honestly argue that being a wife is degrading &lt;i&gt;compared to being a hired stranger&lt;/i&gt;.

You should go see the film &quot;The Help&quot; and see a celebration of how working women enjoy much much better lives, higher status, and more fulfilling sense of &quot;purpose&quot; than poor, oppressed wives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The problem with men is that they don’t have a place in their worldview for the raising of children as an inherently valuable activity. They think they are “too valuable” for what they view as menial and trivial work, and so if they can’t get as wife to do that work, they hire a string of strangers who see their children more than they do.</i></p>
<p>Only a liberal could honestly argue that being a wife is degrading <i>compared to being a hired stranger</i>.</p>
<p>You should go see the film &#8220;The Help&#8221; and see a celebration of how working women enjoy much much better lives, higher status, and more fulfilling sense of &#8220;purpose&#8221; than poor, oppressed wives.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Seidenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Seidenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a serious problem with the notion of &quot;having it all&quot; from the get go. It seems to me that this premise, or dubious goal is so completely wrong headed. It is not encouraging that our culture encourages such rabid self-absorption. And this is not even a discussion that just pertains to women,men cannot &quot;have it all&quot; either.

There has never been, and I daresay never will be a human being on this earth that &quot;has it all, or has had it all! Since the beginning of time the lucky few with choices, have given up some things in order to pursue others. The simple act of making a choice automatically forecloses the  possibility of other paths. 
The majority of us, without choices, have simply done what is expected. or what we know, or what our ancestors have done through the generations.

The smallest minority of folks our society holds up as beacons to the &quot;having it all&quot; mindset, are actually carrying burdens deep in their souls and have no authentic joy. I do not care what the glossy magazines say, most of them have lives resembling train wrecks!

My point is that having it all is not a part of the human condition, nor should it be. The question needs to be, what promotes authentic happiness and true human flourishing? Worshiping the false god of self absorption-or truly giving of oneself as we form connections with other human beings-whatever our calling turns out to be.

Let&#039;s have a real conversation about what a good life is all about-and stop encouraging the younger generation to even think they should want to have it all. Unless we stop promoting this way of thinking we will continue to set our children up for a lifetime of depression, loneliness and alienation.The unobtainable goal of &quot;having it all&quot; leads to a dead end of bitterness and despair. What kind of legacy is that? We must do better for our kids-all of them-male and female.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a serious problem with the notion of &#8220;having it all&#8221; from the get go. It seems to me that this premise, or dubious goal is so completely wrong headed. It is not encouraging that our culture encourages such rabid self-absorption. And this is not even a discussion that just pertains to women,men cannot &#8220;have it all&#8221; either.</p>
<p>There has never been, and I daresay never will be a human being on this earth that &#8220;has it all, or has had it all! Since the beginning of time the lucky few with choices, have given up some things in order to pursue others. The simple act of making a choice automatically forecloses the  possibility of other paths.<br />
The majority of us, without choices, have simply done what is expected. or what we know, or what our ancestors have done through the generations.</p>
<p>The smallest minority of folks our society holds up as beacons to the &#8220;having it all&#8221; mindset, are actually carrying burdens deep in their souls and have no authentic joy. I do not care what the glossy magazines say, most of them have lives resembling train wrecks!</p>
<p>My point is that having it all is not a part of the human condition, nor should it be. The question needs to be, what promotes authentic happiness and true human flourishing? Worshiping the false god of self absorption-or truly giving of oneself as we form connections with other human beings-whatever our calling turns out to be.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s have a real conversation about what a good life is all about-and stop encouraging the younger generation to even think they should want to have it all. Unless we stop promoting this way of thinking we will continue to set our children up for a lifetime of depression, loneliness and alienation.The unobtainable goal of &#8220;having it all&#8221; leads to a dead end of bitterness and despair. What kind of legacy is that? We must do better for our kids-all of them-male and female.</p>
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