You are going to have to spend your own time and money looking for gang rape videos.

Note the progression. You accused hotels of showing “gang rape videos”, I asked you for evidence that actually happened… and you not only failed to even attempt to provide such evidence, now you’re claiming that I need to prove a negative, show that they aren’t doing so.

Boy, am I glad our courts don’t work on “guilty until proven innocent”. I decline to prove a negative. And you clearly can’t prove your positive, so we’ll have to declare that point moot.

you never seem to answer any questions asked of you

If your questions were remotely relevant to what I’ve actually written, that might be important. So far, in fact, the only question you’ve asked me is about the distinction between violent porn and “clean porn” (a phrase I didn’t actually use).

I would have thought the distinction between violent porn and non-violent porn should be pretty obvious. In any case, in the interest of furthering the conversation… non-violent porn doesn’t contain, and isn’t produced via, violence. (Just to save time, I’ll even define violence for you; click here, and check out (2) and (3).)

You are going to have to spend your own time and money looking for gang rape videos. Do you need me to give you a specific time and channel and a hotel address? I’ll leave that up to you. BTW, you didn’t answer my question about how you define good or “non-violent” porn. It’s great to just keep asking questions, but you never seem to answer any questions asked of you, especially regarding your defense of ‘non-violent’ porn. Let’s hear the Ingles ‘good porn’ standard since it’s an important part of your defense of allowing hotels to continue to show this unobjectionable material. . . .

You made the positive assertion that hotels were showing – and here I’m quoting your exact words, note – “videos of gang rapes”. And I’ve been asking you to back up what you claimed.

And you haven’t even attempted to do so. Not even in the tiniest way. Let me know if you ever decide to do the whole “evidence first, then write” thing you bragged about. I think at this point absence of evidence is pretty decisively becoming evidence of absence.

Your cute distinction, “violent, abusive porn” vs. clean porn, is another example of your lack of understanding of the pornography industry. Could you define for the readers of “First Thoughts” (especially its female readers) the Ingles definition of what constitutes clean porn? I love your splendid male euphemism for good porn, the ‘non-violent’ porn — that allegedly predominates in the hotels of our nation….. Be sure during your research that you save enough money for the back surgery you’ll need after you twist yourself in knots trying to distinguish the good porn from the bad.

Your lack of understanding about the pornography industry, i.e., ‘there is no gang rape in pornography’

I’m frankly astonished at your level of reading comprehension. At no point did I say anything remotely like ‘there is no gang rape in pornography’. I’m quite aware that such things happen and videos are actually made of that. And it’s a real problem.

But what I asked you to provide is evidence of hotels offering up such videos. So far, you’ve come up with no evidence whatsoever. A fair amount of indignation, sure; but no evidence.

Yes, violent porn exists. And yes, many hotels offer porn for viewing in their rooms. But – and here’s the key point you don’t seem to want to grasp – not all porn is violent porn.

So, please offer me evidence (and at this point I’ll settle for practically anything beyond ‘because Publius heavily implies it’) that hotels, particularly large hotel chains, are offering violent porn for in-room viewing.

(To spell things out further… if hotels aren’t offering “videos of gang rapes”, then asking them to stop offering pornography will have absolutely no effect on the production of violent, abusive porn, since that would mean they weren’t supporting or consuming such trash.)

Your lack of understanding about the pornography industry, i.e., ‘there is no gang rape in pornography’, is matched only by your assumption that underpaid third world electronics workers are somehow on par with women who are forced to work in the international porn mills. But your matter of fact attitude toward porn is typical of many males who have little concern for the women in this industry. It is common for male teenagers and juvenile male adults who write breezy comments such as “hip me” to dismiss porn as a non-issue, a simple commercial transaction between consenting adults. Ignorance really is bliss.

It’s no different from heroin, drink, gambling, or adrenaline; you need to consume more to get the same thrill – and if you keep on, you end up addicted. The only way porn is exciting is if you hardly ever use it.

Hmm. While people who can ‘recreationally’ use heroin are rare outliers, there’s quite a number of people who indulge in things like ‘drink, gambling, or adrenaline’ without getting addicted. I’d say probably the majority of people, actually.

So, is porn more like heroin or more like gambling? And how do we tell?

If there ever is enough evidence to suggest that electronics addiction is a real thing – real enough that there is a real threat to individuals and/or society – I think it would then be right and appropriate to discuss whether a solution is necessary.

But there is indeed a burden of proof involved.

Also, the least drastic solution is to be preferred – which might be related to why it is taking so long to find a solution to the problems presented by pornography (??)

Women are victimized on a daily basis

Certainly. But people also do porn voluntarily. And electronics and coffee are also produced both in exploitative and non-exploitative manners. The solution is to encourage the latter and attack the former, not to ban them entirely.

Well, absent evidence that something which can be done voluntarily is nevertheless inherently, irredeemably harmful. Whatcha got? Presumably you’ve done the “evidence first, then write” bit, so show your work.

We are talking levels of addiction and degradation, a point at which you seem completely obtuse.

What I said, very specifically, was – and I quote – “there’s certain amount of debate over the prevalence and severity of porn addiction”. If it makes you feel any better, I’ll instead use your vocabulary and phrase it as, there’s a certain amount of debate over the level of addiction that ‘porn addiction’ represents.

Care to show your work on that score? Come on, hip me, or at least point me in the direction of where you you did your research. Don’t you want to help me out?