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	<title>Comments on: Marriage and Women&#8217;s Interests in the Atlantic</title>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/07/20/marriage-and-womens-interests-in-the-atlantic/comment-page-1/#comment-67381</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t &#039;get&#039; why they keep talking about women&#039;s issues as if being a woman meant being an unwed mom.

Aren&#039;t women better off (according to virtually every measure) if they&#039;re married?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t &#8216;get&#8217; why they keep talking about women&#8217;s issues as if being a woman meant being an unwed mom.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t women better off (according to virtually every measure) if they&#8217;re married?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/07/20/marriage-and-womens-interests-in-the-atlantic/comment-page-1/#comment-67380</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I predict we will see the same delayed light bulb phenomena regarding homosexuals and child rearing, i.e. that both genders matter in raising healthy well-adjusted children.&lt;/i&gt;

The children of the sexual revolution are the real civil rights movement here - at least if by &quot;civil rights&quot; we mean the movement toward equality and fairness.

There&#039;s a narrative that says the power of civil rights is in the power of the idea that truth will always win out in the end. If that&#039;s true, then the &quot;marriage&quot; debate will end with us recognizing - belatedly - that kids are just as much stakeholders in the marriage debate as grownups are.

We&#039;ve been rotten to our kids - having kids out of wedlock, divorcing, manufacturing them via IVF, treating them as houseplants that can simply be transplanted whenever we feel like moving. Above all, we have made excuses for why it&#039;s not really such a bad thing to do what we know is wrong.

Now, these kids are starting to speak up - IVF experiments and the daughters of prominent activists are starting to say, &quot;What my parent(s) did to me was not right.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I predict we will see the same delayed light bulb phenomena regarding homosexuals and child rearing, i.e. that both genders matter in raising healthy well-adjusted children.</i></p>
<p>The children of the sexual revolution are the real civil rights movement here &#8211; at least if by &#8220;civil rights&#8221; we mean the movement toward equality and fairness.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a narrative that says the power of civil rights is in the power of the idea that truth will always win out in the end. If that&#8217;s true, then the &#8220;marriage&#8221; debate will end with us recognizing &#8211; belatedly &#8211; that kids are just as much stakeholders in the marriage debate as grownups are.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been rotten to our kids &#8211; having kids out of wedlock, divorcing, manufacturing them via IVF, treating them as houseplants that can simply be transplanted whenever we feel like moving. Above all, we have made excuses for why it&#8217;s not really such a bad thing to do what we know is wrong.</p>
<p>Now, these kids are starting to speak up &#8211; IVF experiments and the daughters of prominent activists are starting to say, &#8220;What my parent(s) did to me was not right.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Oregon Catholic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oregon Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I predict we will see the same delayed light bulb phenomena regarding homosexuals and child rearing, i.e. that both genders matter in raising healthy well-adjusted children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict we will see the same delayed light bulb phenomena regarding homosexuals and child rearing, i.e. that both genders matter in raising healthy well-adjusted children.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/07/20/marriage-and-womens-interests-in-the-atlantic/comment-page-1/#comment-67346</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The transformation of motherhood into a non-marital phenomenon -- a social practice that at the same time hurts women economically and pulls them away from the political world -- could well lead to a decline in political power for mothers, and eventually for all women, since more than 80 percent of women eventually have kids. And it also could lead to a decline in the political fortunes of Democrats in all but the most motivating contests.&quot;

while i appreciate ms. franke-ruta&#039;s insights and think them interesting, she writes as if political and economic consequences (at least for women and democrats!) were all that mattered....  which is yet another example of crass consequentialism....

there are truths sane human beings cannot not know.  some actions, dispositions, and intentions truly are wrong, always and everywhere, regardless of political and economic consequences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The transformation of motherhood into a non-marital phenomenon &#8212; a social practice that at the same time hurts women economically and pulls them away from the political world &#8212; could well lead to a decline in political power for mothers, and eventually for all women, since more than 80 percent of women eventually have kids. And it also could lead to a decline in the political fortunes of Democrats in all but the most motivating contests.&#8221;</p>
<p>while i appreciate ms. franke-ruta&#8217;s insights and think them interesting, she writes as if political and economic consequences (at least for women and democrats!) were all that mattered&#8230;.  which is yet another example of crass consequentialism&#8230;.</p>
<p>there are truths sane human beings cannot not know.  some actions, dispositions, and intentions truly are wrong, always and everywhere, regardless of political and economic consequences.</p>
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