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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 19:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[david c.,

Whatever feelings of contempt you may have for Mayor Bloomberg are irrelevant. As to having his finger to the wind, the soda ban is quite unpopular here. Only a bit more than a third of the people support it, and even some of those don&#039;t believe it will actually do any good. I personally don&#039;t support it. It is a pretty silly idea, but Bloomberg is by no means a silly man. And whether you like him or not, he has taken the right position on Chick-fil-A, even thought there is a huge gay community in New York City, some of whom might have been pleased to see him demagogue the issue like Rahm Emmauneul or Christine Quinn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david c.,</p>
<p>Whatever feelings of contempt you may have for Mayor Bloomberg are irrelevant. As to having his finger to the wind, the soda ban is quite unpopular here. Only a bit more than a third of the people support it, and even some of those don&#8217;t believe it will actually do any good. I personally don&#8217;t support it. It is a pretty silly idea, but Bloomberg is by no means a silly man. And whether you like him or not, he has taken the right position on Chick-fil-A, even thought there is a huge gay community in New York City, some of whom might have been pleased to see him demagogue the issue like Rahm Emmauneul or Christine Quinn.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 19:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Is it not true that Chik-fil-A is being kicked off New York college campuses?&lt;/i&gt;

Blake,

I can answer that with a definite no, because there are no campuses involved. There is only one Chick-fil-A in the state of New York, and it&#039;s on the NYU campus. There was a move by students earlier this year (before this current controversy) to have it removed, and NYU decided to keep it. They will look at the issue again when school opens in the fall, and if NYU decides to remove it, it will be gone, and if they decide to keep it, it will stay. I would not want to make any bets either way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is it not true that Chik-fil-A is being kicked off New York college campuses?</i></p>
<p>Blake,</p>
<p>I can answer that with a definite no, because there are no campuses involved. There is only one Chick-fil-A in the state of New York, and it&#8217;s on the NYU campus. There was a move by students earlier this year (before this current controversy) to have it removed, and NYU decided to keep it. They will look at the issue again when school opens in the fall, and if NYU decides to remove it, it will be gone, and if they decide to keep it, it will stay. I would not want to make any bets either way.</p>
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		<title>By: david c</title>
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		<dc:creator>david c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clearly Nanny Bloomberg has probably been too busy monitoring soda sizes and lecturing new mothers on the merits of breast feeding to put his (always moist) finger to the wind and get himself on the right side of history here.  Expect a retraction, or at the very least a windy &quot;clarification&quot; to issue from his press office, very soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly Nanny Bloomberg has probably been too busy monitoring soda sizes and lecturing new mothers on the merits of breast feeding to put his (always moist) finger to the wind and get himself on the right side of history here.  Expect a retraction, or at the very least a windy &#8220;clarification&#8221; to issue from his press office, very soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Blake,

Christine Quinn is not New York.&lt;/i&gt;

Is it not true that Chik-fil-A is being kicked off New York college campuses?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Blake,</p>
<p>Christine Quinn is not New York.</i></p>
<p>Is it not true that Chik-fil-A is being kicked off New York college campuses?</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Except, apparently, they’re not diverse enough to tolerate the presence of evangelical Christianity.&lt;/i&gt;

Blake,

Christine Quinn is not New York. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/nyregion/bloomberg-calls-chick-fil-a-bans-inappropriate.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mayor Bloomberg&lt;/a&gt; strongly disagreed with her:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But Mr. Bloomberg, an outspoken supporter of unfettered capitalism who has also defended unpopular causes like a proposed mosque near ground zero, said he firmly believed in a business’s right to sell fried chicken to the masses, regardless of its owners’ beliefs.

“It’s inappropriate for a city government, or a state government, or the federal government to look at somebody’s political views and decide whether or not they can live in the city, or operate a business in the city, or work for somebody in the city,” the mayor said on his Friday morning radio show.

Mr. Bloomberg said that while he was friendly with the mayors of Boston and Chicago, “I disagree with them really strongly on this one.”

“You can’t have a test for what the owners’ personal views are before you decide to give a permit to do something in the city,” Mr. Bloomberg said, citing concerns about censorship and freedom of speech. “You really don’t want to ask political beliefs or religious beliefs before you issue a permit. That’s just not government’s job.”

Mr. Bloomberg’s comments put him on the same side of the debate as many evangelical Christians and the American Civil Liberties Union. “I don’t agree with the A.C.L.U. on a lot of things, but in this case they happen to be right,” the mayor said.

The mayor said that if Chick-fil-A wanted to open a New York City store, “they got to find a space, and clear it with the Buildings Department, the health department, get a grade for their food — you know, ‘A,’ hopefully — and put it up.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The New York Times criticized Christine Quinn in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/opinion/the-chick-fil-a-business.html?_r=2&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;editorial:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Speaker Christine Quinn of the New York City Council also overreached when she sent a letter, on Council stationery, calling for the president of New York University to “sever your relationship” with a Chick-fil-A eatery on campus. “Let me be clear,” she wrote, “I do not want establishments in my city that hold such discriminatory views.”

As a gay woman who recently got married, Ms. Quinn’s anger about Mr. Cathy’s comments is understandable. And she stressed on Monday that the letter was “solely my own opinion.” But, as a powerful city leader and a leading candidate for mayor, she and others in city governments should take care not to be seen muscling aside businesses whose owners don’t agree with their views. That won’t work, especially in a city as big, diverse and opinionated as New York.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pleased don&#039;t engage in stereotypes or sweeping generalizations. New York City is one of the most economically, religiously, ethnically, racially, and politically diverse cities in the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Except, apparently, they’re not diverse enough to tolerate the presence of evangelical Christianity.</i></p>
<p>Blake,</p>
<p>Christine Quinn is not New York. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/nyregion/bloomberg-calls-chick-fil-a-bans-inappropriate.html" rel="nofollow">Mayor Bloomberg</a> strongly disagreed with her:</p>
<blockquote><p>But Mr. Bloomberg, an outspoken supporter of unfettered capitalism who has also defended unpopular causes like a proposed mosque near ground zero, said he firmly believed in a business’s right to sell fried chicken to the masses, regardless of its owners’ beliefs.</p>
<p>“It’s inappropriate for a city government, or a state government, or the federal government to look at somebody’s political views and decide whether or not they can live in the city, or operate a business in the city, or work for somebody in the city,” the mayor said on his Friday morning radio show.</p>
<p>Mr. Bloomberg said that while he was friendly with the mayors of Boston and Chicago, “I disagree with them really strongly on this one.”</p>
<p>“You can’t have a test for what the owners’ personal views are before you decide to give a permit to do something in the city,” Mr. Bloomberg said, citing concerns about censorship and freedom of speech. “You really don’t want to ask political beliefs or religious beliefs before you issue a permit. That’s just not government’s job.”</p>
<p>Mr. Bloomberg’s comments put him on the same side of the debate as many evangelical Christians and the American Civil Liberties Union. “I don’t agree with the A.C.L.U. on a lot of things, but in this case they happen to be right,” the mayor said.</p>
<p>The mayor said that if Chick-fil-A wanted to open a New York City store, “they got to find a space, and clear it with the Buildings Department, the health department, get a grade for their food — you know, ‘A,’ hopefully — and put it up.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The New York Times criticized Christine Quinn in an <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/opinion/the-chick-fil-a-business.html?_r=2&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss" rel="nofollow">editorial:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Speaker Christine Quinn of the New York City Council also overreached when she sent a letter, on Council stationery, calling for the president of New York University to “sever your relationship” with a Chick-fil-A eatery on campus. “Let me be clear,” she wrote, “I do not want establishments in my city that hold such discriminatory views.”</p>
<p>As a gay woman who recently got married, Ms. Quinn’s anger about Mr. Cathy’s comments is understandable. And she stressed on Monday that the letter was “solely my own opinion.” But, as a powerful city leader and a leading candidate for mayor, she and others in city governments should take care not to be seen muscling aside businesses whose owners don’t agree with their views. That won’t work, especially in a city as big, diverse and opinionated as New York.</p></blockquote>
<p>Pleased don&#8217;t engage in stereotypes or sweeping generalizations. New York City is one of the most economically, religiously, ethnically, racially, and politically diverse cities in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 03:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;NYC is a place where we celebrate diversity.&lt;/i&gt;

Except, apparently, they&#039;re not diverse enough to tolerate the presence of evangelical Christianity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>NYC is a place where we celebrate diversity.</i></p>
<p>Except, apparently, they&#8217;re not diverse enough to tolerate the presence of evangelical Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 03:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Or because it is a prudent thing to do for the time being?&lt;/i&gt;

I think liberals have figured out - belatedly - that they run the risk of losing their biggest weapon.

It is essential to their political cause that they keep the framing as persecuted gays vs. malicious, bigoted gay-haters. The minute it starts being framed as an equal &quot;zero sum&quot; equation, the gay rights activists lose, because they don&#039;t want &quot;equality&quot;, they want dominance.

They are reaching the point where they have to be careful not to overplay their hand (if they haven&#039;t already). In the uncommitted middle, sympathy for gays could easily turn to sympathy for Christians, if it becomes visible that the Christians aren&#039;t the ones doing the bullying.

Nearest family member living in Chik-fil-A territory tells me &quot;meant to go today but drive-through line was insanely long - all day long&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or because it is a prudent thing to do for the time being?</i></p>
<p>I think liberals have figured out &#8211; belatedly &#8211; that they run the risk of losing their biggest weapon.</p>
<p>It is essential to their political cause that they keep the framing as persecuted gays vs. malicious, bigoted gay-haters. The minute it starts being framed as an equal &#8220;zero sum&#8221; equation, the gay rights activists lose, because they don&#8217;t want &#8220;equality&#8221;, they want dominance.</p>
<p>They are reaching the point where they have to be careful not to overplay their hand (if they haven&#8217;t already). In the uncommitted middle, sympathy for gays could easily turn to sympathy for Christians, if it becomes visible that the Christians aren&#8217;t the ones doing the bullying.</p>
<p>Nearest family member living in Chik-fil-A territory tells me &#8220;meant to go today but drive-through line was insanely long &#8211; all day long&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Darel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my view, the most pernicious aspect of Quinn&#039;s statement (which it shares with those of most if not all the other state officials who have jumped into this fight) is her persistent usage of the term &quot;we,&quot; &quot;us&quot; and &quot;our&quot;.  She is claiming to define, even to embody, the beliefs and values of millions of people based on nothing but sheer assertion.

Clearly if only implicitly, those who disagree with Quinn are not part of &quot;we&quot; and &quot;us&quot;, i.e. they are not true New Yorkers.  Quinn et al. are not far from channeling the spirit of anti-German ideologues during WWI or of Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s, defining marriage traditionalists as the &#039;enemy within&#039;.  The case of Mark Regnerus at the University of Texas is ominous in this regard.  SSM proponents have already extracted the required condemnation of Regnerus from the journal which published his work in the first place, and the University continues its own &quot;audit&quot;.  When is the show trial scheduled?

It sure seems that Rod Dreher is right: &quot;Christians [and other traditionalists], these cities don&#039;t want you&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my view, the most pernicious aspect of Quinn&#8217;s statement (which it shares with those of most if not all the other state officials who have jumped into this fight) is her persistent usage of the term &#8220;we,&#8221; &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;our&#8221;.  She is claiming to define, even to embody, the beliefs and values of millions of people based on nothing but sheer assertion.</p>
<p>Clearly if only implicitly, those who disagree with Quinn are not part of &#8220;we&#8221; and &#8220;us&#8221;, i.e. they are not true New Yorkers.  Quinn et al. are not far from channeling the spirit of anti-German ideologues during WWI or of Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s, defining marriage traditionalists as the &#8216;enemy within&#8217;.  The case of Mark Regnerus at the University of Texas is ominous in this regard.  SSM proponents have already extracted the required condemnation of Regnerus from the journal which published his work in the first place, and the University continues its own &#8220;audit&#8221;.  When is the show trial scheduled?</p>
<p>It sure seems that Rod Dreher is right: &#8220;Christians [and other traditionalists], these cities don&#8217;t want you&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Peg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan Cathy&#039;s beliefs about marriage are hardly peculiar---why even President Obama shared them until a few minutes ago.  I am surprised the Democratic mayor of Washington, DC didn&#039;t try to run the previously incorrect and unevolved president out of town when he had the chance.  The mayor has picked up the mandatory pitch fork and is leading his villagers against  Chick Fil A franchises in his city.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Cathy&#8217;s beliefs about marriage are hardly peculiar&#8212;why even President Obama shared them until a few minutes ago.  I am surprised the Democratic mayor of Washington, DC didn&#8217;t try to run the previously incorrect and unevolved president out of town when he had the chance.  The mayor has picked up the mandatory pitch fork and is leading his villagers against  Chick Fil A franchises in his city.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael PS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael PS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boycotts as a form of political action have a long history, long pre-dating the Irish Land League&#039;s action against the eponymous Irish land agent.

As practised by private individuals or groups, it is difficult to see how anyone, in a free society can object to them

Whether public officials can retain the impartiality demanded of them in their official capacity, whilst lending their support to them in their individual capacity is very questionable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boycotts as a form of political action have a long history, long pre-dating the Irish Land League&#8217;s action against the eponymous Irish land agent.</p>
<p>As practised by private individuals or groups, it is difficult to see how anyone, in a free society can object to them</p>
<p>Whether public officials can retain the impartiality demanded of them in their official capacity, whilst lending their support to them in their individual capacity is very questionable.</p>
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