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		<title>By: David Barton and Our &#8220;Christian&#8221; Founders &#171; Captive to the Word</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/08/08/david-bartons-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-69625</link>
		<dc:creator>David Barton and Our &#8220;Christian&#8221; Founders &#171; Captive to the Word</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] from evangelical and conservative Locke scholar Greg Forster. In a blog article entitled “David Barton’s Errors” Forster deals with seven specific errors Barton makes with Locke in an article Barton wrote in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from evangelical and conservative Locke scholar Greg Forster. In a blog article entitled “David Barton’s Errors” Forster deals with seven specific errors Barton makes with Locke in an article Barton wrote in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Publisher Pulls David Barton's The Jefferson Lies from bookshelves - Too many factual errors. - Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page 2 - City-Data Forum</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/08/08/david-bartons-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-69576</link>
		<dc:creator>Publisher Pulls David Barton's The Jefferson Lies from bookshelves - Too many factual errors. - Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page 2 - City-Data Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: To Sally Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/08/08/david-bartons-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-69397</link>
		<dc:creator>To Sally Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Majoring in History in college is good. But Psychology is a field that is just as important. Almost everything Barton says is to convince you his agenda is true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Majoring in History in college is good. But Psychology is a field that is just as important. Almost everything Barton says is to convince you his agenda is true.</p>
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		<title>By: Citing ‘Lost Confidence,’ Barton’s Publisher Pulls ‘The Jefferson Lies’ &#124; The Truth Goat</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/08/08/david-bartons-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-69329</link>
		<dc:creator>Citing ‘Lost Confidence,’ Barton’s Publisher Pulls ‘The Jefferson Lies’ &#124; The Truth Goat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in “David Barton’s Errors,” Greg Forster, a religious scholar, found that Barton’s “inability to write reliable history [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The David Barton Controversy - Caffeinated Thoughts : Caffeinated Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/08/08/david-bartons-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-69288</link>
		<dc:creator>The David Barton Controversy - Caffeinated Thoughts : Caffeinated Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Another conservative evangelical&#160; scholar, Greg Forster, said he isn’t a scholar of Thomas Jefferson, but that he is a scholar of John Locke.&#160; He decided to look at an essay that Barton wrote on John Locke and found numerous errors. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another conservative evangelical&#160; scholar, Greg Forster, said he isn’t a scholar of Thomas Jefferson, but that he is a scholar of John Locke.&#160; He decided to look at an essay that Barton wrote on John Locke and found numerous errors. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Secular Square</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secular Square</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott Kershern @ August 14:

Barton&#039;s documents are more of an antiquarian interest than a historical one. And it is irrelevant how large his collection might be. All historians use historical documents and letters. They send an army of graduate student reseach assistants to cull university research libraries and state/local archives, etc. These collections, of course, are many times larger than that of Barton.

Ignorance of what &quot;elitist&quot; professional historians have written is no virtue. As a historian, Barton should show interest in what has been written. He might profit from knowing what errors have been made, where concensus exists, and what still is contested. For him to ignore all this is like a bible college graduate writing a bible commentary and boasting about ignoring &quot;elitist&quot; theologicans like Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Hodge, and Warfield.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Kershern @ August 14:</p>
<p>Barton&#8217;s documents are more of an antiquarian interest than a historical one. And it is irrelevant how large his collection might be. All historians use historical documents and letters. They send an army of graduate student reseach assistants to cull university research libraries and state/local archives, etc. These collections, of course, are many times larger than that of Barton.</p>
<p>Ignorance of what &#8220;elitist&#8221; professional historians have written is no virtue. As a historian, Barton should show interest in what has been written. He might profit from knowing what errors have been made, where concensus exists, and what still is contested. For him to ignore all this is like a bible college graduate writing a bible commentary and boasting about ignoring &#8220;elitist&#8221; theologicans like Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Hodge, and Warfield.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkeyville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monkeyville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a lengthy response to the accusations.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/exclusive-historian-david-barton-responds-to-critics-amid-jefferson-lies-book-controversy/

Some factual excerpts from the TheBlaze article:

But Barton told TheBlaze that Thomas Nelson was heavily involved in the book’s editing process. He described a scenario in which editors reached out to him and actively checked his facts out before the book went to print.
“They questioned and we sent them the documentation,” he said, describing a large carton of documents that was, at one point, shipped to the publisher.
Interestingly, when TheBlaze asked Thomas Nelson how much of the book appeared to be problematic and which facts and posited ideas were based in untruth, Thomas Nelson declined to share this information.
...

Barton seemed anything but shaken by the controversy when he spoke via telephone with TheBlaze. He freely answered questions about the controversy and explained that he’s prepared to respond to some of the critiques, while dismissing what he believes is an “elevated level of hostility that’s not really rational in many ways.”
While he stands by his central arguments about Jefferson, Barton isn’t pretending to be immune from error. The historian said that the book has already gone through three or four printings and that there have been word and text changes based on spelling or grammar errors along the way. Also, he addressed a willingness to amend historical items, should they be pointed out and proven wrong by other academics.
…
He went on to explain that if only one percent of the 5,000 facts that were included in his book are incorrect, that would mean that 50 facts could be viably challenged. But he maintained that he and his research staff work hard to verify and back up each and every tidbit he writes and speaks.
While Barton is perfectly willing to fix errors, he believes that many of the items being raised by Throckmorton, among others, are simply overblown and — also — wrongheaded. He says that the next edition of “The Jefferson Lies” will have changes and additions: many of them will include more sourcing to corroborate his claims in the book (and disprove some of Throckmorton’s views).
…
So, what are these supposed claims?
As the media continue to cover the debate surrounding “The Jefferson Lies,” few journalists, if any, have reached out and interviewed Barton about his responses to the specific charges waged by his critics. On Sunday, TheBlaze had extensive conversations with both Throckmorton and Barton, giving both parties adequate ability to explain and refute allegations.
To begin, it’s important to distinguish between the divergent views that Barton and Throckmorton have on Jefferson’s theological views. As reported, Barton has a very nuanced explanation of the former president’s life and a candid response to characterizations that he was an atheist and/or non-believer.
…
Here it is evident that, while Barton sees two different faith experiences coloring Jefferson’s life, Throckmorton sees a more streamlined unitarianism.

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P.S. to the web editor — I think it would be only fair to start a new thread which would balance the previous accusations.  Or at least give a link to this article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a lengthy response to the accusations.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/exclusive-historian-david-barton-responds-to-critics-amid-jefferson-lies-book-controversy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theblaze.com/stories/exclusive-historian-david-barton-responds-to-critics-amid-jefferson-lies-book-controversy/</a></p>
<p>Some factual excerpts from the TheBlaze article:</p>
<p>But Barton told TheBlaze that Thomas Nelson was heavily involved in the book’s editing process. He described a scenario in which editors reached out to him and actively checked his facts out before the book went to print.<br />
“They questioned and we sent them the documentation,” he said, describing a large carton of documents that was, at one point, shipped to the publisher.<br />
Interestingly, when TheBlaze asked Thomas Nelson how much of the book appeared to be problematic and which facts and posited ideas were based in untruth, Thomas Nelson declined to share this information.<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>Barton seemed anything but shaken by the controversy when he spoke via telephone with TheBlaze. He freely answered questions about the controversy and explained that he’s prepared to respond to some of the critiques, while dismissing what he believes is an “elevated level of hostility that’s not really rational in many ways.”<br />
While he stands by his central arguments about Jefferson, Barton isn’t pretending to be immune from error. The historian said that the book has already gone through three or four printings and that there have been word and text changes based on spelling or grammar errors along the way. Also, he addressed a willingness to amend historical items, should they be pointed out and proven wrong by other academics.<br />
…<br />
He went on to explain that if only one percent of the 5,000 facts that were included in his book are incorrect, that would mean that 50 facts could be viably challenged. But he maintained that he and his research staff work hard to verify and back up each and every tidbit he writes and speaks.<br />
While Barton is perfectly willing to fix errors, he believes that many of the items being raised by Throckmorton, among others, are simply overblown and — also — wrongheaded. He says that the next edition of “The Jefferson Lies” will have changes and additions: many of them will include more sourcing to corroborate his claims in the book (and disprove some of Throckmorton’s views).<br />
…<br />
So, what are these supposed claims?<br />
As the media continue to cover the debate surrounding “The Jefferson Lies,” few journalists, if any, have reached out and interviewed Barton about his responses to the specific charges waged by his critics. On Sunday, TheBlaze had extensive conversations with both Throckmorton and Barton, giving both parties adequate ability to explain and refute allegations.<br />
To begin, it’s important to distinguish between the divergent views that Barton and Throckmorton have on Jefferson’s theological views. As reported, Barton has a very nuanced explanation of the former president’s life and a candid response to characterizations that he was an atheist and/or non-believer.<br />
…<br />
Here it is evident that, while Barton sees two different faith experiences coloring Jefferson’s life, Throckmorton sees a more streamlined unitarianism.</p>
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<p>P.S. to the web editor — I think it would be only fair to start a new thread which would balance the previous accusations.  Or at least give a link to this article.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Eggebeen (@castaway5555)</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/08/08/david-bartons-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-69162</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Eggebeen (@castaway5555)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What most disturbs me about Barton, beyond his obvious weaknesses as an historian, is the fact that his materials are being gobbled up in hundreds of home- and private schools. That he distorts history to serve a current ideology is bad enough; that tens of thousands of children are being taught with his materials is the worst of it. Thanks for this piece; hope it&#039;s widely read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What most disturbs me about Barton, beyond his obvious weaknesses as an historian, is the fact that his materials are being gobbled up in hundreds of home- and private schools. That he distorts history to serve a current ideology is bad enough; that tens of thousands of children are being taught with his materials is the worst of it. Thanks for this piece; hope it&#8217;s widely read.</p>
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		<title>By: Publisher Pulls David Barton&#8217;s Revisionist History of Thomas Jefferson &#171; Simul Justus Et Peccator</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/08/08/david-bartons-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-69090</link>
		<dc:creator>Publisher Pulls David Barton&#8217;s Revisionist History of Thomas Jefferson &#171; Simul Justus Et Peccator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] despite his claims to being an &#8220;historical expert,&#8221; Barton tends to make sloppy, factual errors and extrapolations that are wholly unsupportable. For instance, he claims the U.S. Constitution [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] despite his claims to being an &#8220;historical expert,&#8221; Barton tends to make sloppy, factual errors and extrapolations that are wholly unsupportable. For instance, he claims the U.S. Constitution [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kershner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Kershner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Barton writes based on surviving historical documents and letters.  He does no quote what other &quot;historians&quot; claim based on previous historians as facts.  He quotes the people being discussed in their own words.  It is this critique that is driven by political motives and agendas, not Mr. Barton. Sad that so many in this list won&#039;t take the time to seek the truth.  If there are errors or omissions, David will correct them, publicly.  He owns more original documents than most museums.  It so happens he uses better sources.  A practice more historians should follow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Barton writes based on surviving historical documents and letters.  He does no quote what other &#8220;historians&#8221; claim based on previous historians as facts.  He quotes the people being discussed in their own words.  It is this critique that is driven by political motives and agendas, not Mr. Barton. Sad that so many in this list won&#8217;t take the time to seek the truth.  If there are errors or omissions, David will correct them, publicly.  He owns more original documents than most museums.  It so happens he uses better sources.  A practice more historians should follow.</p>
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