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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone actually think God&#039;s plans can be thwarted? And by us?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone actually think God&#8217;s plans can be thwarted? And by us?</p>
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		<title>By: Boonton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boonton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haven&#039;t seen the exit polls state by state but I would guess  that voters who esp. approved of Obama&#039;s handling of Sandy were in NY and NJ mostly.  States that were already pro-Obama.

God endorses Obama might be more plausible if the hurricane, say, hit LA and TX with the response so impressive that solid red states suddenly turned blue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t seen the exit polls state by state but I would guess  that voters who esp. approved of Obama&#8217;s handling of Sandy were in NY and NJ mostly.  States that were already pro-Obama.</p>
<p>God endorses Obama might be more plausible if the hurricane, say, hit LA and TX with the response so impressive that solid red states suddenly turned blue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramon L</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/11/07/an-act-of-god-and-doing-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-78567</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramon L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Hurricane Katrina ushered in the possibility of Barack Obama becoming the president of the United States and Hurricane Sandy cemented his second term, who are we to question the outcome of those acts of God?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Hurricane Katrina ushered in the possibility of Barack Obama becoming the president of the United States and Hurricane Sandy cemented his second term, who are we to question the outcome of those acts of God?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael PS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael PS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 12:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to Bañez, it is precisely in God&#039;s premotion or predetermination of everything that comes to pass that the medium of the Divine knowledge by which God&#039;s omniscience foresees infallibly all the future acts, whether absolute or conditional, of intelligent and unintelligent creatures is found. 

For just as certainly as God in His predetermined decrees knows His own will, so certainly does He know all the necessarily included determinations, including determinations of the free will of creatures, be they of absolute or conditional futurity.

God, respecting the nature of things, moves necessary agents to necessary, and free agents to free, activity -- including sin, except that God is the originator only of its physical entity, not of its formal malice]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Bañez, it is precisely in God&#8217;s premotion or predetermination of everything that comes to pass that the medium of the Divine knowledge by which God&#8217;s omniscience foresees infallibly all the future acts, whether absolute or conditional, of intelligent and unintelligent creatures is found. </p>
<p>For just as certainly as God in His predetermined decrees knows His own will, so certainly does He know all the necessarily included determinations, including determinations of the free will of creatures, be they of absolute or conditional futurity.</p>
<p>God, respecting the nature of things, moves necessary agents to necessary, and free agents to free, activity &#8212; including sin, except that God is the originator only of its physical entity, not of its formal malice</p>
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		<title>By: Bret Lythgoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret Lythgoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would just add that, clearly, the notion that God causes natural occurrences directly, is widely held, and understandable. After all, people pray all the time for the weather, for example, to be good. And, in an excellent example of incorporating the fallacy of post hoc ergo hoc, conclude that, if the weather turns out lovely subequent to the prayer, God must have caused it. 

Certainly it makes sense that God created the mechanisms that allow for natural causes to exist, and he could stop natural occurrences that result in human suffering (and animal suffering for that matter) if he wished, and why he doesn&#039;t, is a profound and morally troubling mystery, but this is distinct from him causing or them to occur.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just add that, clearly, the notion that God causes natural occurrences directly, is widely held, and understandable. After all, people pray all the time for the weather, for example, to be good. And, in an excellent example of incorporating the fallacy of post hoc ergo hoc, conclude that, if the weather turns out lovely subequent to the prayer, God must have caused it. </p>
<p>Certainly it makes sense that God created the mechanisms that allow for natural causes to exist, and he could stop natural occurrences that result in human suffering (and animal suffering for that matter) if he wished, and why he doesn&#8217;t, is a profound and morally troubling mystery, but this is distinct from him causing or them to occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret Lythgoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret Lythgoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jfm: you&#039;re certainly right to conclude that the comments you heard were ridiculous. The notion that God actively and directly causes such events is profoundly offensive to any right thinking person. We see, sadly, thousands of people, suffering in unimaginable ways. This was not an act of God. He did not will the death and suffering of these people. 

To believe otherwise, is to accept the fallacy that God works primarily in nature. He could, of course, being all powerful, but he doesn&#039;t, because he&#039;s all moral, or all good, among other reasons. Aquinas has effectively argued that God God doesn&#039;t directly cause what occurs in the natural world. 

And yet, we still have, in the popular culture, and even among some educated, sophisticated thinkers, the belief that God &quot;sent&#039;&#039; the rain, or the sunshine, or the hurricane, either to &quot;punish&#039;&#039; are &quot;reward&#039;&#039; certain humans. This view is not only morally offensive in that it makes God responsible, directly, for the suffering a nd death of innocents, it also is laughably lacking in theological sophistication.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jfm: you&#8217;re certainly right to conclude that the comments you heard were ridiculous. The notion that God actively and directly causes such events is profoundly offensive to any right thinking person. We see, sadly, thousands of people, suffering in unimaginable ways. This was not an act of God. He did not will the death and suffering of these people. </p>
<p>To believe otherwise, is to accept the fallacy that God works primarily in nature. He could, of course, being all powerful, but he doesn&#8217;t, because he&#8217;s all moral, or all good, among other reasons. Aquinas has effectively argued that God God doesn&#8217;t directly cause what occurs in the natural world. </p>
<p>And yet, we still have, in the popular culture, and even among some educated, sophisticated thinkers, the belief that God &#8220;sent&#8221; the rain, or the sunshine, or the hurricane, either to &#8220;punish&#8221; are &#8220;reward&#8221; certain humans. This view is not only morally offensive in that it makes God responsible, directly, for the suffering a nd death of innocents, it also is laughably lacking in theological sophistication.</p>
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		<title>By: Reta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 04:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scripture tells us even though God knows what we need, &#039;Your Father Who is in Heaven knows what you need.&#039;  He wants us to pray for what we need....in the Our Father we say, &#039;....give us this day our daily bread...&#039; etc......God already KNOWS we need food every day.  Prayer is not designed to inform God, but to give man a sight of his misery; to humble his heart, to excite his desire, to inflame his faith, to animate his hope, to raise his soul from earth to heaven, and to put him in mind that There - above in heaven - is his Father, his country, and inheritance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scripture tells us even though God knows what we need, &#8216;Your Father Who is in Heaven knows what you need.&#8217;  He wants us to pray for what we need&#8230;.in the Our Father we say, &#8216;&#8230;.give us this day our daily bread&#8230;&#8217; etc&#8230;&#8230;God already KNOWS we need food every day.  Prayer is not designed to inform God, but to give man a sight of his misery; to humble his heart, to excite his desire, to inflame his faith, to animate his hope, to raise his soul from earth to heaven, and to put him in mind that There &#8211; above in heaven &#8211; is his Father, his country, and inheritance.</p>
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		<title>By: jfm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 03:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard a conversation at church this weekend which speculated that God sent the hurricane to NY, where Mormonism was born, to prevent the election of a Mormon president. 

I thought that was ridiculous.  But then I do not presume to know the mind of God.  The hurricane was sent to the East Coast for a reason.  The result was the defeat of Mitt Romney.  I don&#039;t know why it happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a conversation at church this weekend which speculated that God sent the hurricane to NY, where Mormonism was born, to prevent the election of a Mormon president. </p>
<p>I thought that was ridiculous.  But then I do not presume to know the mind of God.  The hurricane was sent to the East Coast for a reason.  The result was the defeat of Mitt Romney.  I don&#8217;t know why it happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 00:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That final paragraph should read:

&quot;A president who...is NOT a presidency where we can truly trade our worn, dirty rags for robes of purest white&quot;

Mea Culpa]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That final paragraph should read:</p>
<p>&#8220;A president who&#8230;is NOT a presidency where we can truly trade our worn, dirty rags for robes of purest white&#8221;</p>
<p>Mea Culpa</p>
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		<title>By: Justin R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,

Based upon all of scripture, it would seem that God&#039;s will is for the growth of his church (both temporal and universal).  

As the bride of Christ, the Church&#039;s well-being is his utmost concern.  

If it&#039;s true that persecution causes the flourishing of the church (refining is another word) and that as it says in scripture, &quot;Blessed are you when people curse you in My name.&quot;, then God&#039;s will has been accomplished.

A president who supports religious freedom/discourages abortion/respects the definition of marriage and does not seek to confine faith to the private sphere is a president where we can truly trade our worn, dirty rags for robes of the purest white.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Based upon all of scripture, it would seem that God&#8217;s will is for the growth of his church (both temporal and universal).  </p>
<p>As the bride of Christ, the Church&#8217;s well-being is his utmost concern.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s true that persecution causes the flourishing of the church (refining is another word) and that as it says in scripture, &#8220;Blessed are you when people curse you in My name.&#8221;, then God&#8217;s will has been accomplished.</p>
<p>A president who supports religious freedom/discourages abortion/respects the definition of marriage and does not seek to confine faith to the private sphere is a president where we can truly trade our worn, dirty rags for robes of the purest white.</p>
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