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		<title>By: Bob Gravlin</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/12/12/france-vaccinates-against-religious-pathology/comment-page-1/#comment-83798</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Gravlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read in another article that he wanted &quot;Fraternity&quot; and Equality&quot; to be among the major secular values. Hmm. Seems to me I read once that they were saying similar things in the earlier French Revolution, soon before the  guillotines came out. I suppose that those who disagree with his ideas of healthy vs. pathological religion, will soon be on the chopping block]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read in another article that he wanted &#8220;Fraternity&#8221; and Equality&#8221; to be among the major secular values. Hmm. Seems to me I read once that they were saying similar things in the earlier French Revolution, soon before the  guillotines came out. I suppose that those who disagree with his ideas of healthy vs. pathological religion, will soon be on the chopping block</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ingles</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/12/12/france-vaccinates-against-religious-pathology/comment-page-1/#comment-83720</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The radical secularists are violent... siding with dictators in the middle east in the name of stability (and oil); etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Every President since the 1940&#039;s was a radical secularist?

Amnesty International isn&#039;t a secular organization?

I think maybe your classification scheme lacks a few categories...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The radical secularists are violent&#8230; siding with dictators in the middle east in the name of stability (and oil); etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>Every President since the 1940&#8242;s was a radical secularist?</p>
<p>Amnesty International isn&#8217;t a secular organization?</p>
<p>I think maybe your classification scheme lacks a few categories&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JimmyV</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimmyV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Radical secularism rearing its ugly head again. The radical secularists are violent (killing the pre-born in the name of choice; siding with dictators in the middle east in the name of stability (and oil); etc. The French Revolution was violent and the secularists lead Europe into both WWI and WWII. Haven&#039;t they killed enough already.

Christian creationists, orthodox Catholics and Jews are not violent; but I know the extreme environmentalists, Hollywood actors, and as we&#039;re recently seen in Michigan, union members need to be placed on the watch list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radical secularism rearing its ugly head again. The radical secularists are violent (killing the pre-born in the name of choice; siding with dictators in the middle east in the name of stability (and oil); etc. The French Revolution was violent and the secularists lead Europe into both WWI and WWII. Haven&#8217;t they killed enough already.</p>
<p>Christian creationists, orthodox Catholics and Jews are not violent; but I know the extreme environmentalists, Hollywood actors, and as we&#8217;re recently seen in Michigan, union members need to be placed on the watch list.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ingles</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/12/12/france-vaccinates-against-religious-pathology/comment-page-1/#comment-83576</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do people believe that there could &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; such a thing as &#039;religious pathology&#039;, though? Would, say, the Aztec religion of human sacrifice be an example?

(That&#039;s a distinct question from how severe a problem it might be in this day and age, or whether a specific government agency would be the best way to handle such a problem.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do people believe that there could <i>be</i> such a thing as &#8216;religious pathology&#8217;, though? Would, say, the Aztec religion of human sacrifice be an example?</p>
<p>(That&#8217;s a distinct question from how severe a problem it might be in this day and age, or whether a specific government agency would be the best way to handle such a problem.)</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google up:

homeschooling site:lifesitenews.com

for stories about secular state harassment of those who want pass their own beliefs on to their children instead of letting the state indoctrinate them.

See also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/12/13/unfpa-youth-conference-calls-for-unfettered-abortion-and-plenty-of-it/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UNFPA Youth Conference Calls for Unfettered Abortion and Plenty of It&lt;/a&gt;

Here is an excerpt:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;
The final outcome document calls for legal abortion, and an end to all restrictions on abortion including waiting periods, parental consent, and age of consent. The “delegates” also called for comprehensive sexuality education including information on sexual orientation and gender identities free of religious intolerance. They want the decriminalization of sex work and government recognition of “constantly evolving” concepts of the family.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When will the Church mount an effort to preserve traditional values and the traditional understanding of the family that realistically has some chance of reversing the slide down the slippery slope to godless totalitarianism? Such an effort would require the Church to be much more outspoken on these matters to its own members than it has been in the past. What kind of world will our children and grandchildren have to work out their salvation in if the Church doesn&#039;t ever address these matters in a realistic manner?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google up:</p>
<p>homeschooling site:lifesitenews.com</p>
<p>for stories about secular state harassment of those who want pass their own beliefs on to their children instead of letting the state indoctrinate them.</p>
<p>See also <a href="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/12/13/unfpa-youth-conference-calls-for-unfettered-abortion-and-plenty-of-it/" rel="nofollow">UNFPA Youth Conference Calls for Unfettered Abortion and Plenty of It</a></p>
<p>Here is an excerpt:</p>
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The final outcome document calls for legal abortion, and an end to all restrictions on abortion including waiting periods, parental consent, and age of consent. The “delegates” also called for comprehensive sexuality education including information on sexual orientation and gender identities free of religious intolerance. They want the decriminalization of sex work and government recognition of “constantly evolving” concepts of the family.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>When will the Church mount an effort to preserve traditional values and the traditional understanding of the family that realistically has some chance of reversing the slide down the slippery slope to godless totalitarianism? Such an effort would require the Church to be much more outspoken on these matters to its own members than it has been in the past. What kind of world will our children and grandchildren have to work out their salvation in if the Church doesn&#8217;t ever address these matters in a realistic manner?</p>
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		<title>By: Spudnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spudnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael PS, I still find it profoundly creepy that there would be a government department explicitly devoted to the monitoring and permitting of thought and speech on the basis of potential future criminality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael PS, I still find it profoundly creepy that there would be a government department explicitly devoted to the monitoring and permitting of thought and speech on the basis of potential future criminality.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah! Michael PS, that explains so so very much!  (Eureka, in case you were wondering) Some groups have figured out that if one discloses their, what were previously keep under wraps, predilections publicly (move from from the private to the public) and renounce any claim to private interests, then they can claim to have only public lives. This is advantageous, in their estimation, because the purview of the state is the protection of the public realm. It is a renouncing of citizenship in favour of a new (as yet not fully disclosed) species of relation with the state, namely, as a type ward of the state. 

A bureaucrat&#039;s dream come true if ever there was, for it is a formidable wedge to use against those groups whom have no need (or desire) to submit to the tenured oversight of mandarins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! Michael PS, that explains so so very much!  (Eureka, in case you were wondering) Some groups have figured out that if one discloses their, what were previously keep under wraps, predilections publicly (move from from the private to the public) and renounce any claim to private interests, then they can claim to have only public lives. This is advantageous, in their estimation, because the purview of the state is the protection of the public realm. It is a renouncing of citizenship in favour of a new (as yet not fully disclosed) species of relation with the state, namely, as a type ward of the state. </p>
<p>A bureaucrat&#8217;s dream come true if ever there was, for it is a formidable wedge to use against those groups whom have no need (or desire) to submit to the tenured oversight of mandarins.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael PS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael PS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tito Edwards

many Muslims, and especially Muslim women, are manifesting their confidence in the Republic and proclaiming their adherence to its values.  

The president of the Muslim women’s movement Ni Putes Ni Soumises [Neither Sluts nor Door-mats] Sihen Habchi, in a forceful attack on “multiculturalism” has demanded “No more justifications of our oppression in the name of the right to be different and of respect toward those who force us to bow our heads”

Rachida Dati, herself a Muslim and former French Minister of Justice told the National Assembly that “The Republic is alone capable of uniting men and women of different origins, colours and religions around the principles of tolerance, liberty, solidarity and laïcité making the Republic truly one and indivisible”  Likewise, Fadela Amara, another Muslim and former Secretary of State for Urban Policies has declared that “For this generation, the crucial issues are laïcité, gender equality and gender desegregation, based upon living together in harmony throughout the world, and not only in France”

Anyone who knows France and the French press, across the political spectrum, will know that there is great concern about « communautarisme » by which they mean ethnic and religious solidarities and allegiances that threaten to override Republican unity.  This concern is largely incomprehensible to Americans who have learned to embrace the realities of their multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society, but it is deeply rooted in French political culture, going back at least as far as Rousseau&#039;s suspicion of particular interests that undermined the general will.  Hence, the determination to keep the State and Civil Society, « l’espace public » and « l’espace privé » distinct and separate.  Religious and cultural activities belong to « l’espace privé »]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tito Edwards</p>
<p>many Muslims, and especially Muslim women, are manifesting their confidence in the Republic and proclaiming their adherence to its values.  </p>
<p>The president of the Muslim women’s movement Ni Putes Ni Soumises [Neither Sluts nor Door-mats] Sihen Habchi, in a forceful attack on “multiculturalism” has demanded “No more justifications of our oppression in the name of the right to be different and of respect toward those who force us to bow our heads”</p>
<p>Rachida Dati, herself a Muslim and former French Minister of Justice told the National Assembly that “The Republic is alone capable of uniting men and women of different origins, colours and religions around the principles of tolerance, liberty, solidarity and laïcité making the Republic truly one and indivisible”  Likewise, Fadela Amara, another Muslim and former Secretary of State for Urban Policies has declared that “For this generation, the crucial issues are laïcité, gender equality and gender desegregation, based upon living together in harmony throughout the world, and not only in France”</p>
<p>Anyone who knows France and the French press, across the political spectrum, will know that there is great concern about « communautarisme » by which they mean ethnic and religious solidarities and allegiances that threaten to override Republican unity.  This concern is largely incomprehensible to Americans who have learned to embrace the realities of their multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society, but it is deeply rooted in French political culture, going back at least as far as Rousseau&#8217;s suspicion of particular interests that undermined the general will.  Hence, the determination to keep the State and Civil Society, « l’espace public » and « l’espace privé » distinct and separate.  Religious and cultural activities belong to « l’espace privé »</p>
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		<title>By: Tito Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tito Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Committee on Public Safety in different words.  It&#039;s going to be a blood bath when the Muslims rise up in their annual car-bbq-intifadah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Committee on Public Safety in different words.  It&#8217;s going to be a blood bath when the Muslims rise up in their annual car-bbq-intifadah.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Valls was DSK&#039;s most loyal right-hand man, until the latter raped a hotel maid in a country where his influence and status couldn&#039;t buy him total impunity like he counted on, being so very accustomed to it happening in France.

And that&#039;s who the French were ready to have for President, and who belonged to the same Party that is in power now.

Then again, if Valls concentrated on French corrupt politician &quot;extremists&quot; instead of religious &quot;extremists,&quot; maybe there would not be enough jails in the world to hold them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valls was DSK&#8217;s most loyal right-hand man, until the latter raped a hotel maid in a country where his influence and status couldn&#8217;t buy him total impunity like he counted on, being so very accustomed to it happening in France.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s who the French were ready to have for President, and who belonged to the same Party that is in power now.</p>
<p>Then again, if Valls concentrated on French corrupt politician &#8220;extremists&#8221; instead of religious &#8220;extremists,&#8221; maybe there would not be enough jails in the world to hold them.</p>
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