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		<title>By: savvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>savvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 02:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the people blaming Regnerus are missing the point.  Porn and gay marriage are both a fantasy, that do not exist, except in the minds of people. 

They both display a fear of what is physically real.

They both refuse to see people as body-persons. 

Male/female are fixed binary distinctions. There are deviations from the norm, but they are deviations.

Post-modernists are simply wrong when they claim that these things are based on one’s perception, rather than reality.

It has to do with spending too much time with technology and fictional people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the people blaming Regnerus are missing the point.  Porn and gay marriage are both a fantasy, that do not exist, except in the minds of people. </p>
<p>They both display a fear of what is physically real.</p>
<p>They both refuse to see people as body-persons. </p>
<p>Male/female are fixed binary distinctions. There are deviations from the norm, but they are deviations.</p>
<p>Post-modernists are simply wrong when they claim that these things are based on one’s perception, rather than reality.</p>
<p>It has to do with spending too much time with technology and fictional people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoops, Fred, sorry about that. My comment should have been addressed to Frank.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, Fred, sorry about that. My comment should have been addressed to Frank.</p>
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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 12:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott Rose, do you consume porn? Do you support SSM?

I do neither of those things. Perhaps statistically you and I would cancel each other out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Rose, do you consume porn? Do you support SSM?</p>
<p>I do neither of those things. Perhaps statistically you and I would cancel each other out.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott wrote:&quot; This latest gay-bashing bigotry out of Regnerus is profoundly dishonest. &quot;

Project much? I only see  Regnerus bashing bigotry in your comment.

&quot;Regnerus says that there is an “association” between porn viewing and support for marriage equality.&quot;

Because there is one - and it&#039;s visible in any representative sample you study. It has to do with liberal ideology on sexuality and relationships. 

This ideology states that it is legitimate and normal for a person to pursue dysfunctional, disoriented, perverse, and perverted sexual kicks. Thus it normalizes homosexuality and porn (aside from hook-ups, sex with strangers, promiscuity, etc.).

What does porn say? It says that homosexuality is normal. It also says that carrying out any perverse and perverted, violent, deformed sexual acts is just fine. As long as you get your (deformed) sexual thrills, that&#039;s all that matters - that is one of core messages of porn - and what makes it so popular. 

Pornography is a testament to how warped, dysfunctional, and perverse millions and millions of people are in regard to their sexuality ideology.

Thus it intersects in many ways with the very same discourse of people who normalize homosexuality: &quot;there is nothing wrong, disoriented, or dysfunctional with any homosexual dynamic that pops up in anyone&#039;s mind.&quot;

Generally speaking, people who have normalized porn are not in the least interested in examining how perverted they are as regards sexuality, in the very same way that people who insist on normalizing homosexuality refuse to face how disoriented and dysfunctional it is. Thus, they insist that the reasons why an individual developed a homosexuality problem must never be investigated or known.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott wrote:&#8221; This latest gay-bashing bigotry out of Regnerus is profoundly dishonest. &#8221;</p>
<p>Project much? I only see  Regnerus bashing bigotry in your comment.</p>
<p>&#8220;Regnerus says that there is an “association” between porn viewing and support for marriage equality.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because there is one &#8211; and it&#8217;s visible in any representative sample you study. It has to do with liberal ideology on sexuality and relationships. </p>
<p>This ideology states that it is legitimate and normal for a person to pursue dysfunctional, disoriented, perverse, and perverted sexual kicks. Thus it normalizes homosexuality and porn (aside from hook-ups, sex with strangers, promiscuity, etc.).</p>
<p>What does porn say? It says that homosexuality is normal. It also says that carrying out any perverse and perverted, violent, deformed sexual acts is just fine. As long as you get your (deformed) sexual thrills, that&#8217;s all that matters &#8211; that is one of core messages of porn &#8211; and what makes it so popular. </p>
<p>Pornography is a testament to how warped, dysfunctional, and perverse millions and millions of people are in regard to their sexuality ideology.</p>
<p>Thus it intersects in many ways with the very same discourse of people who normalize homosexuality: &#8220;there is nothing wrong, disoriented, or dysfunctional with any homosexual dynamic that pops up in anyone&#8217;s mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Generally speaking, people who have normalized porn are not in the least interested in examining how perverted they are as regards sexuality, in the very same way that people who insist on normalizing homosexuality refuse to face how disoriented and dysfunctional it is. Thus, they insist that the reasons why an individual developed a homosexuality problem must never be investigated or known.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 03:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ray, That wasn&#039;t me. I don&#039;t often agree with you, but I have to on this. The connection between violence and video games is tenuous at best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, That wasn&#8217;t me. I don&#8217;t often agree with you, but I have to on this. The connection between violence and video games is tenuous at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 03:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This latest gay-bashing bigotry out of Regnerus is profoundly dishonest. What he does not say in the article is more important than what he does say. For one example, what he does not tell readers is that out of his study&#039;s total 2,988 respondents, only 84 watch porno &quot;every day or nearly every day.&quot; 1,402 of his respondents are in favor of same-sex marriage. So, if every last one of his 84 respondents who watch porno &quot;every day or nearly every day&quot; were to favor same-sex marriage, that still would mean that only 5.9% of his respondents who favor same-sex marriage watch porno every day. Yet, he is attempting to brand and smear equality supporters as daily pornography viewers. Regnerus and his Witherspoon funders and editors made the choices about how to present this latest gay-bashing bigot attack. This was a very calculated way for them to be sure of presenting the information in a manner that attempts to demonize equality supporters. &quot;Watches porno every day&quot; is not a characteristic for 94.1% of his respondents who favor same-sex marriage, yet Regnerus says that there is an &quot;association&quot; between porn viewing and support for marriage equality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This latest gay-bashing bigotry out of Regnerus is profoundly dishonest. What he does not say in the article is more important than what he does say. For one example, what he does not tell readers is that out of his study&#8217;s total 2,988 respondents, only 84 watch porno &#8220;every day or nearly every day.&#8221; 1,402 of his respondents are in favor of same-sex marriage. So, if every last one of his 84 respondents who watch porno &#8220;every day or nearly every day&#8221; were to favor same-sex marriage, that still would mean that only 5.9% of his respondents who favor same-sex marriage watch porno every day. Yet, he is attempting to brand and smear equality supporters as daily pornography viewers. Regnerus and his Witherspoon funders and editors made the choices about how to present this latest gay-bashing bigot attack. This was a very calculated way for them to be sure of presenting the information in a manner that attempts to demonize equality supporters. &#8220;Watches porno every day&#8221; is not a characteristic for 94.1% of his respondents who favor same-sex marriage, yet Regnerus says that there is an &#8220;association&#8221; between porn viewing and support for marriage equality.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred - &lt;blockquote&gt;Violent games have increased our tolerance for violence and we recently reaped the whirlwind of gun violence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/October/violent-video-games-and-young-people&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;All that studies have been able to show in that regard is that a fraction of people who already show issues &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; be affected by video-game violence&lt;/a&gt;. Practically everyone in my generation grew up with Looney Tunes and other violent cartoons, but most were able to make a distinction between that fantasy and real life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred &#8211;<br />
<blockquote>Violent games have increased our tolerance for violence and we recently reaped the whirlwind of gun violence.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/October/violent-video-games-and-young-people" rel="nofollow">All that studies have been able to show in that regard is that a fraction of people who already show issues <i>may</i> be affected by video-game violence</a>. Practically everyone in my generation grew up with Looney Tunes and other violent cartoons, but most were able to make a distinction between that fantasy and real life.</p>
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		<title>By: Darel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clearly David Nickol has never heard of the &quot;ecological fallacy&quot;.  For anybody tempted to draw any conclusions from Nickol&#039;s posts, look it up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly David Nickol has never heard of the &#8220;ecological fallacy&#8221;.  For anybody tempted to draw any conclusions from Nickol&#8217;s posts, look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course the ad hominems tell you exactly how much ability to answer Dr Regenerus his critics have.

Not much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the ad hominems tell you exactly how much ability to answer Dr Regenerus his critics have.</p>
<p>Not much.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heather wrote: 1) There is no study that has ever measured how much porn has been consumed in any state for any given period of time.

David replied: Yes there is:

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No, there isn&#039;t. 

The study referenced does NOT measure how much porn was consumed in any state at any given time, nor do we know who exactly consumes porn. 

It measures only credit card receipts from one provider. 

This is like saying a study that measures the purchases of Smirnoff&#039;s alcoholic beverages in one state is actually measuring the total consumption of all alcoholic beverages in that state, and can then provide a national comparison with other states. 

In addition, purchase of porn does not equal total consumption, because contrary to alcohol, it is readily available without the need for purchase. One provider does not equal all providers. 

No one has measured how much porn has been consumed in any state for any period of time, because that data has simply not ever been available to researchers.

Furthermore, this study implies that if a state is classified as &quot;Red,&quot; then all of its consumers are Republican and socially conservative, another profoundly misleading conclusion.

However, what this does underscore is the problem that social conservatives are fully aware of regarding the Republican party: a sizable number of Republicans are either liberal or quite liberal. This includes normalizing homosexuality, porn, promiscuity, prostitution, etc.

&quot;“When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different,” says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.&quot;

Which people? Republicans who normalize homosexuality, promiscuity, and porn are more like Democrats who normalize homosexuality, promiscuity, and porn? Oh, astounding. 

The real quality difference in people lies exactly in those who do not normalize porn, homosexuality, promiscuity, prostitution, etc., and those who do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather wrote: 1) There is no study that has ever measured how much porn has been consumed in any state for any given period of time.</p>
<p>David replied: Yes there is:</p>
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<p>No, there isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The study referenced does NOT measure how much porn was consumed in any state at any given time, nor do we know who exactly consumes porn. </p>
<p>It measures only credit card receipts from one provider. </p>
<p>This is like saying a study that measures the purchases of Smirnoff&#8217;s alcoholic beverages in one state is actually measuring the total consumption of all alcoholic beverages in that state, and can then provide a national comparison with other states. </p>
<p>In addition, purchase of porn does not equal total consumption, because contrary to alcohol, it is readily available without the need for purchase. One provider does not equal all providers. </p>
<p>No one has measured how much porn has been consumed in any state for any period of time, because that data has simply not ever been available to researchers.</p>
<p>Furthermore, this study implies that if a state is classified as &#8220;Red,&#8221; then all of its consumers are Republican and socially conservative, another profoundly misleading conclusion.</p>
<p>However, what this does underscore is the problem that social conservatives are fully aware of regarding the Republican party: a sizable number of Republicans are either liberal or quite liberal. This includes normalizing homosexuality, porn, promiscuity, prostitution, etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;“When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different,” says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which people? Republicans who normalize homosexuality, promiscuity, and porn are more like Democrats who normalize homosexuality, promiscuity, and porn? Oh, astounding. </p>
<p>The real quality difference in people lies exactly in those who do not normalize porn, homosexuality, promiscuity, prostitution, etc., and those who do.</p>
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