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		<title>By: Daniel Neel</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/07/nyt-on-saving-catholic-education/comment-page-1/#comment-86105</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Neel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 01:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m afraid I agree with Sister Bogue, going back to a system that doesn&#039;t compensate teachers does not seem like a practical answer to me.  I also read the NYT&#039;s editorial and as a fundraising consultant that works primarily with catholic secondary schools, my response is contained in my blog post, How to Save Catholic Education in 4 Not-So-Easy Steps http://www.thefundraisingresource.com/wp/fundraising-2/how-to-save-catholic-education-in-4-not-so-easy-steps/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I agree with Sister Bogue, going back to a system that doesn&#8217;t compensate teachers does not seem like a practical answer to me.  I also read the NYT&#8217;s editorial and as a fundraising consultant that works primarily with catholic secondary schools, my response is contained in my blog post, How to Save Catholic Education in 4 Not-So-Easy Steps <a href="http://www.thefundraisingresource.com/wp/fundraising-2/how-to-save-catholic-education-in-4-not-so-easy-steps/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefundraisingresource.com/wp/fundraising-2/how-to-save-catholic-education-in-4-not-so-easy-steps/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe DeVet</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/07/nyt-on-saving-catholic-education/comment-page-1/#comment-86053</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe DeVet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SK, give us a hint.  In 25 words or less, can you summarize the singular design flaw you cite?

Catholic education certainly has its challenges today, but the relationship between it and public education is about like when I went to school.  My grade-school education at a fraction of the cost gave me a better foundation for success in public high school (later, college and grad school) than my peers who went to the public schools--this in one of the better public systems in our State.

The Catholic schools may be in trouble, but public education is essentially broken.  More spending is not the solution--government schools pay 5 times the cost in REAL purchasing power (inflaction-adjusted) vs when I went to school, and delicver a sub-standard education for it.

Yes, Catholics need to mind their curricula, and their faith principles, and their pennies, but students still have a better shot for success in academics, and in life, in Catholic schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SK, give us a hint.  In 25 words or less, can you summarize the singular design flaw you cite?</p>
<p>Catholic education certainly has its challenges today, but the relationship between it and public education is about like when I went to school.  My grade-school education at a fraction of the cost gave me a better foundation for success in public high school (later, college and grad school) than my peers who went to the public schools&#8211;this in one of the better public systems in our State.</p>
<p>The Catholic schools may be in trouble, but public education is essentially broken.  More spending is not the solution&#8211;government schools pay 5 times the cost in REAL purchasing power (inflaction-adjusted) vs when I went to school, and delicver a sub-standard education for it.</p>
<p>Yes, Catholics need to mind their curricula, and their faith principles, and their pennies, but students still have a better shot for success in academics, and in life, in Catholic schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Amazed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 05:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Steve,

Just bought your book. Now I&#039;m here telling the publisher that I&#039;d like to see this book on Kindle. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Just bought your book. Now I&#8217;m here telling the publisher that I&#8217;d like to see this book on Kindle. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Kellmeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/07/nyt-on-saving-catholic-education/comment-page-1/#comment-86026</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Kellmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 02:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve written an entire book on the history of Catholic education in the United States: &quot;Designed to Fail: Catholic Education in America&quot;.

The decline of Catholic education is not just due to shrinking vocations or even bad curricula. Although both of these things contribute to the problem, the real problem began the moment the parochial school systems were put together. 

There is an inherent design flaw - vocations shrank and bad curricula crept in because of the original design problem. Unless and until that flaw is fixed, the schools will continue to disappear. 

Given the history of America&#039;s Catholic schools, it is safe to say America&#039;s bishops are psychologically incapable of solving the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written an entire book on the history of Catholic education in the United States: &#8220;Designed to Fail: Catholic Education in America&#8221;.</p>
<p>The decline of Catholic education is not just due to shrinking vocations or even bad curricula. Although both of these things contribute to the problem, the real problem began the moment the parochial school systems were put together. </p>
<p>There is an inherent design flaw &#8211; vocations shrank and bad curricula crept in because of the original design problem. Unless and until that flaw is fixed, the schools will continue to disappear. </p>
<p>Given the history of America&#8217;s Catholic schools, it is safe to say America&#8217;s bishops are psychologically incapable of solving the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello TJH,

&quot;The biggest problem for Catholic schools is that the curriculum they use is virtually indistinguishable from that used in the government schools which results in a school culture that is indistinguishable. The first step is to make the schools “catholic.”&quot;

Right. And it does not help when ordinaries like Archbishop O&#039;Brien (formerly of Baltimore until last year) bring in Protestant, Jewish and secular figures to advise on curriculum changes. Nothing against public or other sectarian schools, but the Church has a rich array of educational expertise to bring to the table.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello TJH,</p>
<p>&#8220;The biggest problem for Catholic schools is that the curriculum they use is virtually indistinguishable from that used in the government schools which results in a school culture that is indistinguishable. The first step is to make the schools “catholic.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Right. And it does not help when ordinaries like Archbishop O&#8217;Brien (formerly of Baltimore until last year) bring in Protestant, Jewish and secular figures to advise on curriculum changes. Nothing against public or other sectarian schools, but the Church has a rich array of educational expertise to bring to the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Melendez</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/07/nyt-on-saving-catholic-education/comment-page-1/#comment-85996</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Melendez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, in the end, it comes down to us, the laypeople, whose donations would pay for any Catholic schools and, if they return, any sisters who teach in them.

Are Patrick McCloskey and Joseph Harris Catholic? Don&#039;t they know that church donations are voluntary? Whether or not they share the faith, they too can donate.

My parish&#039;s schools closed over the last twenty years with the elementary one closing just a few years ago. Parents were, in general, unwilling to pay the increased tuition, one even slashing the Pastor&#039;s tires on a tuition hike about 19 years ago. One of the original schools remains as an independent Catholic High School. It&#039;s run by the Xaverian Brothers and has been for many decades. It charges a full up private school tuition.

I saw the op-ed but ignored it. NYT&#039;s track record on understanding Catholic issues is very shallow. Does Christopher White find the op-ed recommended reading?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, in the end, it comes down to us, the laypeople, whose donations would pay for any Catholic schools and, if they return, any sisters who teach in them.</p>
<p>Are Patrick McCloskey and Joseph Harris Catholic? Don&#8217;t they know that church donations are voluntary? Whether or not they share the faith, they too can donate.</p>
<p>My parish&#8217;s schools closed over the last twenty years with the elementary one closing just a few years ago. Parents were, in general, unwilling to pay the increased tuition, one even slashing the Pastor&#8217;s tires on a tuition hike about 19 years ago. One of the original schools remains as an independent Catholic High School. It&#8217;s run by the Xaverian Brothers and has been for many decades. It charges a full up private school tuition.</p>
<p>I saw the op-ed but ignored it. NYT&#8217;s track record on understanding Catholic issues is very shallow. Does Christopher White find the op-ed recommended reading?</p>
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		<title>By: Nekliw</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/07/nyt-on-saving-catholic-education/comment-page-1/#comment-85983</link>
		<dc:creator>Nekliw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are there any successful Catholic schools we can learn from?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any successful Catholic schools we can learn from?</p>
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		<title>By: Felapton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felapton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Sister E. Young nuns don&#039;t stay young forever. When they get older, their health care costs as much as a laywoman&#039;s does. Many religious orders&#039; pension funds are drastically underfunded, a mistake that may have been understandable fifty years ago but one it would be unethical to repeat. Wages are only part of the cost of a schoolteacher. Pension contributions and health insurance are a large component.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sister E. Young nuns don&#8217;t stay young forever. When they get older, their health care costs as much as a laywoman&#8217;s does. Many religious orders&#8217; pension funds are drastically underfunded, a mistake that may have been understandable fifty years ago but one it would be unethical to repeat. Wages are only part of the cost of a schoolteacher. Pension contributions and health insurance are a large component.</p>
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		<title>By: TJH</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The biggest problem for Catholic schools is that the curriculum they use is virtually indistinguishable from that used in the government schools which results in a school culture that is indistinguishable.  The first step is to make the schools &quot;catholic.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem for Catholic schools is that the curriculum they use is virtually indistinguishable from that used in the government schools which results in a school culture that is indistinguishable.  The first step is to make the schools &#8220;catholic.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Edith Bogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Edith Bogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the past, sisters who taught in Catholic schools did not get health insurance nor much of a salary. That doesn&#039;t mean that they didn&#039;t get sick, nor that they did not need to pay for the maintenance of their convent or motherhouse.
  
In my community, 50% of the sisters are 80 or older while about 15% of us are employed full-time (some with benefits). Religious communities do not receive direct contributions from their dioceses (which usually have little money) nor parishes.  
  
In most religious communities, many of the elderly sisters qualify for Medicaid because of decades of teaching (or nursing) without receiving a living wage or health care coverage.  
  
It would be great to have more sisters teaching in schools -- but we have as many dependents to feed and care for as any family.  We need to receive a living wage and standard benefits like any other person employed by the school.

I teach full-time in Catholic higher education. My income supports the five sisters who are in formation and the dozens who are over 80.  Please do not suggest that I should be paid less than my colleagues (usually dual-income families) who only have 2 or 3 dependents.  We do the same work in God&#039;s service, and so should bring home the same pay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past, sisters who taught in Catholic schools did not get health insurance nor much of a salary. That doesn&#8217;t mean that they didn&#8217;t get sick, nor that they did not need to pay for the maintenance of their convent or motherhouse.</p>
<p>In my community, 50% of the sisters are 80 or older while about 15% of us are employed full-time (some with benefits). Religious communities do not receive direct contributions from their dioceses (which usually have little money) nor parishes.  </p>
<p>In most religious communities, many of the elderly sisters qualify for Medicaid because of decades of teaching (or nursing) without receiving a living wage or health care coverage.  </p>
<p>It would be great to have more sisters teaching in schools &#8212; but we have as many dependents to feed and care for as any family.  We need to receive a living wage and standard benefits like any other person employed by the school.</p>
<p>I teach full-time in Catholic higher education. My income supports the five sisters who are in formation and the dozens who are over 80.  Please do not suggest that I should be paid less than my colleagues (usually dual-income families) who only have 2 or 3 dependents.  We do the same work in God&#8217;s service, and so should bring home the same pay.</p>
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