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	<title>Comments on: From Orthodoxy to Astrophysics: Mysticism &amp; the Russian Space Program</title>
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		<title>By: Micha Elyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha Elyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 03:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;An sf reader will pause cautiously, then move closer.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
--Spyder Robinson&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Moses read sf?  I didn&#039;t know that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;An sf reader will pause cautiously, then move closer.&#8221;</i><br />
&#8211;Spyder Robinson</p></blockquote>
<p>Moses read sf?  I didn&#8217;t know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel Karavousanos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmanuel Karavousanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sciene and theology -- and mysticism as well -- are not only closely related, but they need one another to attain the gift of mystical insight -- which is the onset of the mystical state -- higher consciousness.  Once one realizes that quesitoning one&#039;s own mind is science and that without questioning one&#039;s mind and thoughts, the mystical experience can never arrive.  It is here where faith (theology) must be applied, faith in what some very prominent names called analysis of obvious, familiar and known things, and things we take for granted.  Whitehead said, &quot;Familiar things happen and mankind does not bother about them.&quot;  Hegel gave us, &quot;Because it&#039;s familiar, a thing remains unknown.&quot;  These are only two of several others who reinforce this concept.  Once it is realized that many things -- consciousness in particular-- are known only on the surface or superficially, then we can see that it is necessary to analyze these things so they can become INTUITIVELY realized.  
Emmanuel Karavousanos
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sciene and theology &#8212; and mysticism as well &#8212; are not only closely related, but they need one another to attain the gift of mystical insight &#8212; which is the onset of the mystical state &#8212; higher consciousness.  Once one realizes that quesitoning one&#8217;s own mind is science and that without questioning one&#8217;s mind and thoughts, the mystical experience can never arrive.  It is here where faith (theology) must be applied, faith in what some very prominent names called analysis of obvious, familiar and known things, and things we take for granted.  Whitehead said, &#8220;Familiar things happen and mankind does not bother about them.&#8221;  Hegel gave us, &#8220;Because it&#8217;s familiar, a thing remains unknown.&#8221;  These are only two of several others who reinforce this concept.  Once it is realized that many things &#8212; consciousness in particular&#8211; are known only on the surface or superficially, then we can see that it is necessary to analyze these things so they can become INTUITIVELY realized.<br />
Emmanuel Karavousanos<br />
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		<title>By: Ray Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;“A lot of the best science fiction is intensely ‘cosmic,’ conveying just how huge and unknowable the universe is, and how little we still understand it,”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not &lt;i&gt;understood&lt;/i&gt; is different from not &lt;i&gt;understandable&lt;/i&gt;, though. From the science fiction novel &quot;Time Pressure&quot;, by Spider Robinson:

&lt;blockquote&gt;People who read a lot of sf are the least gullible, most skeptical people on earth. A longtime reader of sf will examine the flying saucer very carefully and knowledgeably for concealed wires, hidden seams, gimmicks with mirrors: he&#039;s seen them all before. Spotting a fake is child&#039;s play for him. (A tough house for a musician is a roomful of other musicians.) On the other hand, he&#039;ll recognize a real flying saucer, and he&#039;ll waste very little time on astonishment. Rearranging his entire personal universe in the light of startlingly new data is what he does for fun. One of sf&#039;s basic axioms, first propounded by Arthur Clarke, is that &quot;any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.&quot; Confronted with a nominally supernatural occurrence, a normal person will first freeze in shock, then back away in fear. An sf reader will pause cautiously, then move closer. The normal person will hastily review a checklist of escape-hatches—&quot;I am drunk&quot;; &quot;I am dreaming&quot;; &quot;I have been drugged&quot;; and so forth—hoping to find one which applies. The sf reader will check the same list—hoping to come up empty. But meanwhile he&#039;ll already have begun analyzing this new puzzle-piece which the game of life has offered him. What is it good for? What are its limitations? Where does it pinch? The thing he will be most afraid of is appearing stupid in retrospect.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“A lot of the best science fiction is intensely ‘cosmic,’ conveying just how huge and unknowable the universe is, and how little we still understand it,”</p></blockquote>
<p>Not <i>understood</i> is different from not <i>understandable</i>, though. From the science fiction novel &#8220;Time Pressure&#8221;, by Spider Robinson:</p>
<blockquote><p>People who read a lot of sf are the least gullible, most skeptical people on earth. A longtime reader of sf will examine the flying saucer very carefully and knowledgeably for concealed wires, hidden seams, gimmicks with mirrors: he&#8217;s seen them all before. Spotting a fake is child&#8217;s play for him. (A tough house for a musician is a roomful of other musicians.) On the other hand, he&#8217;ll recognize a real flying saucer, and he&#8217;ll waste very little time on astonishment. Rearranging his entire personal universe in the light of startlingly new data is what he does for fun. One of sf&#8217;s basic axioms, first propounded by Arthur Clarke, is that &#8220;any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.&#8221; Confronted with a nominally supernatural occurrence, a normal person will first freeze in shock, then back away in fear. An sf reader will pause cautiously, then move closer. The normal person will hastily review a checklist of escape-hatches—&#8221;I am drunk&#8221;; &#8220;I am dreaming&#8221;; &#8220;I have been drugged&#8221;; and so forth—hoping to find one which applies. The sf reader will check the same list—hoping to come up empty. But meanwhile he&#8217;ll already have begun analyzing this new puzzle-piece which the game of life has offered him. What is it good for? What are its limitations? Where does it pinch? The thing he will be most afraid of is appearing stupid in retrospect.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Poets say science takes away from the beauty of the stars — mere globs of gas atoms. Nothing is &#039;mere&#039;….  It does not do harm to the mystery to know a little more about it. For far more marvelous is the truth than any artists of the past imagined it. Why do the poets of the present not speak of it? What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter if he were a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Richard Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics (1964).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Poets say science takes away from the beauty of the stars — mere globs of gas atoms. Nothing is &#8216;mere&#8217;….  It does not do harm to the mystery to know a little more about it. For far more marvelous is the truth than any artists of the past imagined it. Why do the poets of the present not speak of it? What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter if he were a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Richard Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics (1964).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Walsh, MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh, MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The turn to gnostic or superstitious practices is the inevitable consequence of materialism.  For all their gung-ho enthusiasm, a reading of the human spaceflight fan blogs generally reveals a pretty anemic spirituality, and a sad faith in an ersatz eschaton.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The turn to gnostic or superstitious practices is the inevitable consequence of materialism.  For all their gung-ho enthusiasm, a reading of the human spaceflight fan blogs generally reveals a pretty anemic spirituality, and a sad faith in an ersatz eschaton.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredösphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredösphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bernice Glatzer Rosenthal (and colleagues) has covered this topic well in _The Occult in Russian and Soviet Culture_. I wonder, do you know her, or this book? Probably, but I mention it for the sake of your readers who want to dig deeper.

This is a fascinating topic with many surprises. Because Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin were atheists, it&#039;s easy to underestimate how much seriously weird metaphysical, mystical, magical and even outright demonic experimentation was stirred up by the Russian Revolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernice Glatzer Rosenthal (and colleagues) has covered this topic well in _The Occult in Russian and Soviet Culture_. I wonder, do you know her, or this book? Probably, but I mention it for the sake of your readers who want to dig deeper.</p>
<p>This is a fascinating topic with many surprises. Because Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin were atheists, it&#8217;s easy to underestimate how much seriously weird metaphysical, mystical, magical and even outright demonic experimentation was stirred up by the Russian Revolution.</p>
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