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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/23/the-latest-attack-on-student-scholarship-organizations/comment-page-1/#comment-88415</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;David: “The Supreme Court may have ruled that tax credits are not government expenditures, but most economists disagree.”

That’s because most economists are so far divorced from political and social reality that I don’t think they are really studying economics any more….

Read the Supreme Court case….&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not sure which case we’re referring to here. 

Yes, the Supreme Court upheld the idea that a private actor may choose to use a government voucher to obtain a religious education, because the manner in which the private actor uses a voucher cannot be attributed to government. This makes sense to me.

By the same token, when a private actor pays money to government in lieu of buying insurance for his employees, and government uses that money to subsidize the purchase of insurance providing birth control, that government expenditure cannot be attributed to the private actor. In other words, the private actor has no basis to raise contentious objections to paying the ObamaCare penalty – except to the extent that they’d raise contentious objections to paying any other tax. 

Conversely, if you’re going to claim that you are somehow tied to how government spends the money you pay in ObamaCare penalties, then we also have to concede that vouchers represent government spending and thus cannot be spent for sectarian purposes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>David: “The Supreme Court may have ruled that tax credits are not government expenditures, but most economists disagree.”</p>
<p>That’s because most economists are so far divorced from political and social reality that I don’t think they are really studying economics any more….</p>
<p>Read the Supreme Court case….</p></blockquote>
<p>Not sure which case we’re referring to here. </p>
<p>Yes, the Supreme Court upheld the idea that a private actor may choose to use a government voucher to obtain a religious education, because the manner in which the private actor uses a voucher cannot be attributed to government. This makes sense to me.</p>
<p>By the same token, when a private actor pays money to government in lieu of buying insurance for his employees, and government uses that money to subsidize the purchase of insurance providing birth control, that government expenditure cannot be attributed to the private actor. In other words, the private actor has no basis to raise contentious objections to paying the ObamaCare penalty – except to the extent that they’d raise contentious objections to paying any other tax. </p>
<p>Conversely, if you’re going to claim that you are somehow tied to how government spends the money you pay in ObamaCare penalties, then we also have to concede that vouchers represent government spending and thus cannot be spent for sectarian purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Elyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha Elyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clearly, the time is long past due for separating school and state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, the time is long past due for separating school and state.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Schaeffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Schaeffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David: &quot;The Supreme Court may have ruled that tax credits are not government expenditures, but most economists disagree.&quot;

That&#039;s because most economists are so far divorced from political and social reality that I don&#039;t think they are really studying economics any more.

It really is pretty basic . . . will/do people behave differently when they are allowed to direct their own income to a particular use than when the government collects everyone&#039;s taxes and then spends it for them for similar ends? 

Yes, unequivocally. Read the Supreme Court case . . . it makes far more sense than anything I&#039;ve heard from an economist on this topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: &#8220;The Supreme Court may have ruled that tax credits are not government expenditures, but most economists disagree.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because most economists are so far divorced from political and social reality that I don&#8217;t think they are really studying economics any more.</p>
<p>It really is pretty basic . . . will/do people behave differently when they are allowed to direct their own income to a particular use than when the government collects everyone&#8217;s taxes and then spends it for them for similar ends? </p>
<p>Yes, unequivocally. Read the Supreme Court case . . . it makes far more sense than anything I&#8217;ve heard from an economist on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We homeschool.  We get no direct subsidy or tax credit or tax deduction.  And most home schoolers (that I know, seems to be the thinking of the Texas Home School Association, anyway) agree that we&#039;d rather render unto Ceasar than to receive any of the type of support that ALWAYS comes with strings attached.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We homeschool.  We get no direct subsidy or tax credit or tax deduction.  And most home schoolers (that I know, seems to be the thinking of the Texas Home School Association, anyway) agree that we&#8217;d rather render unto Ceasar than to receive any of the type of support that ALWAYS comes with strings attached.</p>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 23:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... good company!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; good company!</p>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 23:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you consider the eradication of racial discrimination to be mere “political correctness”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I consider efforts to eradicate private racial discrimination through the selective withholding of tax exemptions to be political correctness. 

As far as I know, Congress may extend tax exemptions to advance any legitimate governmental purpose. IRS Code section 501(c)(3) grants tax exemptions for not-for-profit educational institutions – arguably a legitimate governmental purpose. Bob Jones University was and is a not-for-profit educational institution. I leave the syllogism to you. 

Congress need not establish a tax exemption for not-for-profit educational institutions. But if it does so, I expect administrative agencies such as the IRS to implement the law even-handedly. If Congress doesn’t like Bob Jones University getting tax exemptions, Congress needs to find a viewpoint-neutral way of implementing that policy. 

I favor free exercise of religion and equal protection before the law – even for bigots. “[I]f there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought – not free thought for those who agree with us, but freedom for the thought that we hate.” 

Of course, I’m quoting from &lt;i&gt;US v. Schwimmer&lt;/i&gt;, defending the right of a Quaker to seek US citizenship even though she would not pledge to be willing to take up arms in the nation’s defense. And, of course, I’m quoting the dissent. The court ruled against my point of view in that case, just as in &lt;i&gt;Bob Jones University&lt;/i&gt;. And in &lt;i&gt;Locke v. Davey&lt;/i&gt;, when the Court found that Washington State’s practice of offering scholarships for any purpose under the sun EXCEPT THEOLOGY somehow didn’t represent discrimination on the basis of religion. 

So if you don’t share my point of view -- hey, you’re in...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you consider the eradication of racial discrimination to be mere “political correctness”?</p></blockquote>
<p>I consider efforts to eradicate private racial discrimination through the selective withholding of tax exemptions to be political correctness. </p>
<p>As far as I know, Congress may extend tax exemptions to advance any legitimate governmental purpose. IRS Code section 501(c)(3) grants tax exemptions for not-for-profit educational institutions – arguably a legitimate governmental purpose. Bob Jones University was and is a not-for-profit educational institution. I leave the syllogism to you. </p>
<p>Congress need not establish a tax exemption for not-for-profit educational institutions. But if it does so, I expect administrative agencies such as the IRS to implement the law even-handedly. If Congress doesn’t like Bob Jones University getting tax exemptions, Congress needs to find a viewpoint-neutral way of implementing that policy. </p>
<p>I favor free exercise of religion and equal protection before the law – even for bigots. “[I]f there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought – not free thought for those who agree with us, but freedom for the thought that we hate.” </p>
<p>Of course, I’m quoting from <i>US v. Schwimmer</i>, defending the right of a Quaker to seek US citizenship even though she would not pledge to be willing to take up arms in the nation’s defense. And, of course, I’m quoting the dissent. The court ruled against my point of view in that case, just as in <i>Bob Jones University</i>. And in <i>Locke v. Davey</i>, when the Court found that Washington State’s practice of offering scholarships for any purpose under the sun EXCEPT THEOLOGY somehow didn’t represent discrimination on the basis of religion. </p>
<p>So if you don’t share my point of view &#8212; hey, you’re in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry! The sentence above should read: &quot; I asked him if he had talked to anyone at his church, and he told me he didn’t &lt;b&gt;dare&lt;/b&gt; [not date!]&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry! The sentence above should read: &#8221; I asked him if he had talked to anyone at his church, and he told me he didn’t <b>dare</b> [not date!]&#8220;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The latest tack–or should I say “attack”?&lt;/i&gt;

I am not sure why the word &lt;i&gt;attack&lt;/i&gt; is needed. The information provided by the Times and the Southern Education Foundation appears to be accurate. The Supreme Court may have ruled that tax credits are not government expenditures, but most economists disagree. They are now a way of funneling what &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; have been tax revenue to purposes that government could not fund directly. It is just a way of laundering government money to be spent (in only some cases, of course) on things the government has no business spending money on. 

I think a distinction should be made between schools that teach homosexuality is wrong as part of their religion curriculum and schools declare they will expel a student for saying, &quot;I am gay.&quot; Does this mean if students are having doubts or difficulties about their sexual orientation, they can&#039;t even discuss it with a trusted teacher or guidance counsellor? I remember a talk I had with a young gay man once who felt that God had played a trick on him by making him gay. I asked him if he had talked to anyone at his church, and he told me he didn&#039;t date. The pastor of his church, he told me, believed that gay people were cooperating with Satan (or some such nonsense). It certainly is not true in the Catholic Church, or in any major denomination that I know of, but there are pastors and preachers out there who believe that a homosexual orientation is a choice and a wicked one. I would certainly not want my money financing a school that would expel a student for sexual orientation &lt;i&gt;alone.&lt;/i&gt; It is one thing to teach certain behavior is wrong or to ban it in a code of conduct. It is quite another thing to discriminate based on orientation alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The latest tack–or should I say “attack”?</i></p>
<p>I am not sure why the word <i>attack</i> is needed. The information provided by the Times and the Southern Education Foundation appears to be accurate. The Supreme Court may have ruled that tax credits are not government expenditures, but most economists disagree. They are now a way of funneling what <i>would</i> have been tax revenue to purposes that government could not fund directly. It is just a way of laundering government money to be spent (in only some cases, of course) on things the government has no business spending money on. </p>
<p>I think a distinction should be made between schools that teach homosexuality is wrong as part of their religion curriculum and schools declare they will expel a student for saying, &#8220;I am gay.&#8221; Does this mean if students are having doubts or difficulties about their sexual orientation, they can&#8217;t even discuss it with a trusted teacher or guidance counsellor? I remember a talk I had with a young gay man once who felt that God had played a trick on him by making him gay. I asked him if he had talked to anyone at his church, and he told me he didn&#8217;t date. The pastor of his church, he told me, believed that gay people were cooperating with Satan (or some such nonsense). It certainly is not true in the Catholic Church, or in any major denomination that I know of, but there are pastors and preachers out there who believe that a homosexual orientation is a choice and a wicked one. I would certainly not want my money financing a school that would expel a student for sexual orientation <i>alone.</i> It is one thing to teach certain behavior is wrong or to ban it in a code of conduct. It is quite another thing to discriminate based on orientation alone.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Seems like blatant viewpoint discrimination to me; the court sacrificed freedom of religion for political correctness.&lt;/i&gt;

nobody.really,

Do you consider the eradication of racial discrimination to be mere &quot;political correctness&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Seems like blatant viewpoint discrimination to me; the court sacrificed freedom of religion for political correctness.</i></p>
<p>nobody.really,</p>
<p>Do you consider the eradication of racial discrimination to be mere &#8220;political correctness&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In July 1970, the US Internal Revenue Service (IRS) concluded that it could &quot;no longer legally justify allowing tax-exempt status [under 501(c)(3)] to private schools which practice racial discrimination…&quot; and could not &quot;treat gifts to such schools as charitable deductions for income tax purposes [under 170].&quot;  IRS News Release, July 7, 1970, reprinted in App. in No. 81-3, p. A235. 

Bob Jones University and Goldsboro Christian Schools, Inc., of North Carolina, challenged this IRS ruling all the way to the US Supreme Court. It was uncontested that Bob Jones University’s segregationist policies were based on sincerely held religious beliefs that &quot;God intended segregation of the races and that the Scriptures forbid interracial marriage.&quot; 

Nevertheless, in &lt;a href=&quot;http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&amp;court=US&amp;vol=461&amp;page=574&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bob Jones University v. US&lt;/a&gt;, the Supreme Court held that the religion clauses of the First Amendment do not prohibit the IRS from revoking the tax exempt status of a religious university whose practices are contrary to a compelling government public policy, such as eradicating racial discrimination. The Court made clear, however, that its holding dealt &quot;only with religious schools—not with churches or other purely religious institutions.&quot;

Rehnquist was the lone dissenter. 

Seems like blatant viewpoint discrimination to me; the court sacrificed freedom of religion for political correctness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In July 1970, the US Internal Revenue Service (IRS) concluded that it could &#8220;no longer legally justify allowing tax-exempt status [under 501(c)(3)] to private schools which practice racial discrimination…&#8221; and could not &#8220;treat gifts to such schools as charitable deductions for income tax purposes [under 170].&#8221;  IRS News Release, July 7, 1970, reprinted in App. in No. 81-3, p. A235. </p>
<p>Bob Jones University and Goldsboro Christian Schools, Inc., of North Carolina, challenged this IRS ruling all the way to the US Supreme Court. It was uncontested that Bob Jones University’s segregationist policies were based on sincerely held religious beliefs that &#8220;God intended segregation of the races and that the Scriptures forbid interracial marriage.&#8221; </p>
<p>Nevertheless, in <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&amp;court=US&amp;vol=461&amp;page=574" rel="nofollow">Bob Jones University v. US</a>, the Supreme Court held that the religion clauses of the First Amendment do not prohibit the IRS from revoking the tax exempt status of a religious university whose practices are contrary to a compelling government public policy, such as eradicating racial discrimination. The Court made clear, however, that its holding dealt &#8220;only with religious schools—not with churches or other purely religious institutions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rehnquist was the lone dissenter. </p>
<p>Seems like blatant viewpoint discrimination to me; the court sacrificed freedom of religion for political correctness.</p>
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