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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;March for Marriage&#8221; Planned for Day Supremes Hear Prop 8 Case</title>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/28/march-for-marriage-planned-for-day-supremes-hear-prop-8-case/comment-page-1/#comment-89623</link>
		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 19:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A&#039;s Letters- the pope&#039;s religious assertions are neither here nor there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A&#8217;s Letters- the pope&#8217;s religious assertions are neither here nor there.</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 19:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Fitzgibbons- I never said it was. I said you can&#039;t back up your claims. A point you continue to make for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Fitzgibbons- I never said it was. I said you can&#8217;t back up your claims. A point you continue to make for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/28/march-for-marriage-planned-for-day-supremes-hear-prop-8-case/comment-page-1/#comment-89530</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 00:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A sample size of two, Boo, is not a scientific study. Boo hoo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sample size of two, Boo, is not a scientific study. Boo hoo.</p>
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		<title>By: A's Letters</title>
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		<dc:creator>A's Letters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boo,

A wisdom greater than psychological science may be helpful here, specifically Pope Benedict’s on understanding the vital complimentary of a husband and a wife that is for the healthy development of a children.

Pope Benedict has described the “male genius” and the “female genius” in The Collaboration of Men and Women in the Church. He wrote in regard to the “male genius” that, “Greater distance from process of gestation and birth enables him to act more calmly on behalf of life; he acts to protect life and guarantee its future; he is a father in a physical and spiritual sense and he is called to be strong, firm, reliable and trustworthy.”

In describing the “female genius,” he wrote, “She has a special capacity to show love, a delicate sensitivity to the needs of others, a special capacity for the other and understanding of inner conflicts in others.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo,</p>
<p>A wisdom greater than psychological science may be helpful here, specifically Pope Benedict’s on understanding the vital complimentary of a husband and a wife that is for the healthy development of a children.</p>
<p>Pope Benedict has described the “male genius” and the “female genius” in The Collaboration of Men and Women in the Church. He wrote in regard to the “male genius” that, “Greater distance from process of gestation and birth enables him to act more calmly on behalf of life; he acts to protect life and guarantee its future; he is a father in a physical and spiritual sense and he is called to be strong, firm, reliable and trustworthy.”</p>
<p>In describing the “female genius,” he wrote, “She has a special capacity to show love, a delicate sensitivity to the needs of others, a special capacity for the other and understanding of inner conflicts in others.”</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/28/march-for-marriage-planned-for-day-supremes-hear-prop-8-case/comment-page-1/#comment-89501</link>
		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 18:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Fitzgibbons- I have responded by pointing out that what you are writing is merely empty assertions which you seem unable to back up. And the psychological profession is on my side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Fitzgibbons- I have responded by pointing out that what you are writing is merely empty assertions which you seem unable to back up. And the psychological profession is on my side.</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/28/march-for-marriage-planned-for-day-supremes-hear-prop-8-case/comment-page-1/#comment-89325</link>
		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 23:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note to the moderators- why don&#039;t you just admit that you reserve the right to censor comments that do not conform to the agenda this site is pushing? It&#039;s certainly your right to do so, and it would be more honest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to the moderators- why don&#8217;t you just admit that you reserve the right to censor comments that do not conform to the agenda this site is pushing? It&#8217;s certainly your right to do so, and it would be more honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/28/march-for-marriage-planned-for-day-supremes-hear-prop-8-case/comment-page-1/#comment-89269</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boo, your lack of insight is overshadowed only by your sense of trying to rigidly control this communication.  You did not respond to anything I have written and what I have written is based on sound science.  Obviously, the attempt to redefine marriage and thereby deliberately harm children by depriving them of a mother or a father cannot be defended from psychological science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo, your lack of insight is overshadowed only by your sense of trying to rigidly control this communication.  You did not respond to anything I have written and what I have written is based on sound science.  Obviously, the attempt to redefine marriage and thereby deliberately harm children by depriving them of a mother or a father cannot be defended from psychological science.</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 18:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Fitzgibbons- You don&#039;t back up bare assertions with more bare assertions. 

I repeat my question: should purportedly scientific claims about what the studies show on the fitness of gay couples to raise children be based on studies of gay couples raising children? Yes or no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Fitzgibbons- You don&#8217;t back up bare assertions with more bare assertions. </p>
<p>I repeat my question: should purportedly scientific claims about what the studies show on the fitness of gay couples to raise children be based on studies of gay couples raising children? Yes or no?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/28/march-for-marriage-planned-for-day-supremes-hear-prop-8-case/comment-page-1/#comment-89005</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Boo----no. Do you know why?  It is because the SSA lifestyle is notoriously fluid.  That&#039;s what the research shows.  Follow the logic and weep:  It is the SSA people themselves who choose to sometimes partner with someone from the opposite sex, then someone from the same sex, and on it goes.  This is especially the case for women.  Do you know who is creating the apples and oranges?  Right!  The SSA people themselves.  So, Boo, the confusion of apples and oranges is not my doing.  It is the doing of the SSA groups.  Readers, SSA lifestyles are fluid (tending to go from a man to a woman and back again) statistically more so than heterosexual couples.  Would you want children raised in this chaos?  Boo, I can see that you just don&#039;t get it.  Please stop pushing for a policy you clearly do not yet understand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Boo&#8212;-no. Do you know why?  It is because the SSA lifestyle is notoriously fluid.  That&#8217;s what the research shows.  Follow the logic and weep:  It is the SSA people themselves who choose to sometimes partner with someone from the opposite sex, then someone from the same sex, and on it goes.  This is especially the case for women.  Do you know who is creating the apples and oranges?  Right!  The SSA people themselves.  So, Boo, the confusion of apples and oranges is not my doing.  It is the doing of the SSA groups.  Readers, SSA lifestyles are fluid (tending to go from a man to a woman and back again) statistically more so than heterosexual couples.  Would you want children raised in this chaos?  Boo, I can see that you just don&#8217;t get it.  Please stop pushing for a policy you clearly do not yet understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Fitzgibbons- and, as you and I both know, you left one rather important detail out:

The fathers in that study were married to the mothers. 

That is not a study of the outcomes of being raised by gay couples, it is a study of the outcome of being raised by a mixed orientation marriage. You are comparing apples to oranges. It is one thing for scholars to disagree on interpretation of data. It is quite another thing and much rarer, as you well know, for one scholar to accuse another of misrepresenting her work.

Let me ask you a very simple question: should purportedly scientific claims about what the studies show on the fitness of gay couples to raise children be based on studies of gay couples raising children? Yes or no?

I, I ought to note, am in agreement that it is a bad idea for gay men to marry women. That is one reason why I support marriage equality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Fitzgibbons- and, as you and I both know, you left one rather important detail out:</p>
<p>The fathers in that study were married to the mothers. </p>
<p>That is not a study of the outcomes of being raised by gay couples, it is a study of the outcome of being raised by a mixed orientation marriage. You are comparing apples to oranges. It is one thing for scholars to disagree on interpretation of data. It is quite another thing and much rarer, as you well know, for one scholar to accuse another of misrepresenting her work.</p>
<p>Let me ask you a very simple question: should purportedly scientific claims about what the studies show on the fitness of gay couples to raise children be based on studies of gay couples raising children? Yes or no?</p>
<p>I, I ought to note, am in agreement that it is a bad idea for gay men to marry women. That is one reason why I support marriage equality.</p>
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