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	<title>Comments on: Super Bowl: A Pre-Game Thomistic Meditation</title>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/02/03/super-bowl-a-pre-game-thomistic-meditation/comment-page-1/#comment-89272</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It is unsporting and rude for a spectator to try to interfere with the results of the game therefore we should not wish God to do so or pray for the success of our favorite team.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This provokes the question why anyone would petition God for &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; specific outcome -- even of the &quot;give us this day our daily bread&quot; variety. Surely an all-knowing, all-loving God has arranged for His purposes to be fulfilled. If our wills play any role at all, it&#039;s to align ourselves with those purposes -- not our own.

But I see little harm in praying, &quot;God help the Ravens&quot; provided I follow up with  &quot;&lt;i&gt;but Thy will be done!&lt;/i&gt;&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is unsporting and rude for a spectator to try to interfere with the results of the game therefore we should not wish God to do so or pray for the success of our favorite team.</p></blockquote>
<p>This provokes the question why anyone would petition God for <i>any</i> specific outcome &#8212; even of the &#8220;give us this day our daily bread&#8221; variety. Surely an all-knowing, all-loving God has arranged for His purposes to be fulfilled. If our wills play any role at all, it&#8217;s to align ourselves with those purposes &#8212; not our own.</p>
<p>But I see little harm in praying, &#8220;God help the Ravens&#8221; provided I follow up with  &#8220;<i>but Thy will be done!</i>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/02/03/super-bowl-a-pre-game-thomistic-meditation/comment-page-1/#comment-89270</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does it mean for an all-knowing being to “care”? I care about an event when I attach importance to a contingency. God knows all things in all time; for Him, nothing remains contingent. God knows the outcome of every contest before it occurs (kind of like Lau Tso?), and all the events that follow from every outcome. What is left to “care” about?

Sure, I expect God would structure all things to His purposes, and there’s no reason to think that the Superbowl would be an exception. I see no reason that God would not use the Superbowl, or anything else, to help save humanity from itself. Thus, while neither team could justly claim that “God is on our side,” it might be the case that either time was, incidentally, on God’s side. 

That said, it’s far from clear how the Superbowl would (or did?) help save humanity from itself. True, there did seem to be some kind of battle between the forces of light and darkness during the second half….]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean for an all-knowing being to “care”? I care about an event when I attach importance to a contingency. God knows all things in all time; for Him, nothing remains contingent. God knows the outcome of every contest before it occurs (kind of like Lau Tso?), and all the events that follow from every outcome. What is left to “care” about?</p>
<p>Sure, I expect God would structure all things to His purposes, and there’s no reason to think that the Superbowl would be an exception. I see no reason that God would not use the Superbowl, or anything else, to help save humanity from itself. Thus, while neither team could justly claim that “God is on our side,” it might be the case that either time was, incidentally, on God’s side. </p>
<p>That said, it’s far from clear how the Superbowl would (or did?) help save humanity from itself. True, there did seem to be some kind of battle between the forces of light and darkness during the second half….</p>
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		<title>By: jason taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Objection 1. That is Deism, and Deism is really anthropomorphic. It is confusing greatness and authority with distance which is a specifically human organizational dysfunction rather then the natural result of power as such. It assumes that God’s power is demonstrated by not caring what his creatures do the way human rulers don’t care about their subjects except in aggregate because of the limitations of their finite mental capacities. However, by definition God is not limited in mental energy the way a human is. It is also possibly Gnostic in assuming that “The World” as spoken of in the Bible is a denigration to athletics and other (in principal)harmless merrymaking simply because of their physical nature. When the Bible speaks of “The World”, it usually means “sinful tendencies in human society” or something of the nature, not athletics which are not sinful in principal and less similar then many things in practice.

Objection 2. The “competitiveness” of football is not sinful in itself and the game is just as much cooperative as competitive. Perhaps competition would not exist were it not for The Fall but that could be said of a lot of good things including most of literature. 

Objection 3. Which has not been given. It is unsporting and rude for a spectator to try to interfere with the results of the game therefore we should not wish God to do so or pray for the success of our favorite team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Objection 1. That is Deism, and Deism is really anthropomorphic. It is confusing greatness and authority with distance which is a specifically human organizational dysfunction rather then the natural result of power as such. It assumes that God’s power is demonstrated by not caring what his creatures do the way human rulers don’t care about their subjects except in aggregate because of the limitations of their finite mental capacities. However, by definition God is not limited in mental energy the way a human is. It is also possibly Gnostic in assuming that “The World” as spoken of in the Bible is a denigration to athletics and other (in principal)harmless merrymaking simply because of their physical nature. When the Bible speaks of “The World”, it usually means “sinful tendencies in human society” or something of the nature, not athletics which are not sinful in principal and less similar then many things in practice.</p>
<p>Objection 2. The “competitiveness” of football is not sinful in itself and the game is just as much cooperative as competitive. Perhaps competition would not exist were it not for The Fall but that could be said of a lot of good things including most of literature. </p>
<p>Objection 3. Which has not been given. It is unsporting and rude for a spectator to try to interfere with the results of the game therefore we should not wish God to do so or pray for the success of our favorite team.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t follow football at all, but in case anybody doesn&#039;t know, I heard on the radio that the Raisins won.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t follow football at all, but in case anybody doesn&#8217;t know, I heard on the radio that the Raisins won.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a big THANK YOU!!!!   appreciated your words of spiritual sanity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a big THANK YOU!!!!   appreciated your words of spiritual sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: martha kremer</title>
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		<dc:creator>martha kremer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I myself don&#039;t care a fig who wins the Superbowl, but I will be watching it with my husband, one of my sons, and two of my grandsons.  I hope we win.  But who are &quot;we&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I myself don&#8217;t care a fig who wins the Superbowl, but I will be watching it with my husband, one of my sons, and two of my grandsons.  I hope we win.  But who are &#8220;we&#8221;?</p>
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