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	<title>Comments on: Libya Arrests Foreign Nationals on Proselytism Charge</title>
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		<title>By: peg</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/02/19/libya-arrests-foreign-nationals-on-proselytism-charge/comment-page-1/#comment-90959</link>
		<dc:creator>peg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Even Christians expressed dismay at what the foreigners were accused of doing, though perhaps Libyan Christians have no other choice&quot;

They don&#039;t want to have their heads cut off. The Anglican priest who said that the five Christian churches do not proselytize, do not distribute literature, do respect Libyans, do respect Islam probably spoke in a very loud and clear voice. He is apt have been sweating bullets, too, when asked these dangerous questions by ignorant Western journalists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even Christians expressed dismay at what the foreigners were accused of doing, though perhaps Libyan Christians have no other choice&#8221;</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t want to have their heads cut off. The Anglican priest who said that the five Christian churches do not proselytize, do not distribute literature, do respect Libyans, do respect Islam probably spoke in a very loud and clear voice. He is apt have been sweating bullets, too, when asked these dangerous questions by ignorant Western journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: David Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is approaching the apex of arrogance that western politicos and academics have widely spread the notion that things such as &quot;international law,&quot; or other ideas meant to suggest that an international standard of human rights has recently been discovered and should now be the saviour of all the downtrodden and oppressed around the World.

God is with those who are persecuted in his name.  Let&#039;s recognize the idols we&#039;ve made our governments into and remember Him who is our only hope in this world as we go forth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is approaching the apex of arrogance that western politicos and academics have widely spread the notion that things such as &#8220;international law,&#8221; or other ideas meant to suggest that an international standard of human rights has recently been discovered and should now be the saviour of all the downtrodden and oppressed around the World.</p>
<p>God is with those who are persecuted in his name.  Let&#8217;s recognize the idols we&#8217;ve made our governments into and remember Him who is our only hope in this world as we go forth.</p>
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		<title>By: jason taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Supertradum, the author did not say, &quot;Muslims should not be preached to.&quot; He said, &quot;Laws against missionaries implying that conversion was the price for food are not totally unjust.&quot;

A better point to address is that some of the suffering are in a position that is best addressed by religious conversion. Admittedly &quot;it is better to be a Christian then a coke addict&quot;, is not the highest form of apologetics, and perhaps any religion would be of use in this area. However rescuing people in such states has always been an identifying mark of Christianity; just as gentlemanliness for Confucianism; or the application of religious values to normal life, and the righteous bearing of arms is for Sikhism or so on. Because of this the difference between &quot;undue proselytism&quot; and charity is grey. For many the best charity in the Earthly sense is for them to become a Christian. I do not say this as a Christian although I am in fact such. Nor do I say that the only purpose for religion is material or that all religions are equal. I do say this as an observer noting that many people are in an Earthly position for which &quot;getting religion&quot; is the best cure, and Christianity emphasizes helping them to &quot;get&quot; it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supertradum, the author did not say, &#8220;Muslims should not be preached to.&#8221; He said, &#8220;Laws against missionaries implying that conversion was the price for food are not totally unjust.&#8221;</p>
<p>A better point to address is that some of the suffering are in a position that is best addressed by religious conversion. Admittedly &#8220;it is better to be a Christian then a coke addict&#8221;, is not the highest form of apologetics, and perhaps any religion would be of use in this area. However rescuing people in such states has always been an identifying mark of Christianity; just as gentlemanliness for Confucianism; or the application of religious values to normal life, and the righteous bearing of arms is for Sikhism or so on. Because of this the difference between &#8220;undue proselytism&#8221; and charity is grey. For many the best charity in the Earthly sense is for them to become a Christian. I do not say this as a Christian although I am in fact such. Nor do I say that the only purpose for religion is material or that all religions are equal. I do say this as an observer noting that many people are in an Earthly position for which &#8220;getting religion&#8221; is the best cure, and Christianity emphasizes helping them to &#8220;get&#8221; it.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;He did not say, “except the Muslems” and therefore, we have a mandate.&lt;/i&gt;

Fine. As long as Christian proselytizers realize they are breaking the law in Muslim countries, let them do whatever they think is right . . . and pay the penalty for it. I think the native countries of the four arrested Christians have a right to pressure Libya to let them go, or to treat them leniently. I think it would be an atrocity if Christian missionaries were executed in Libya. But I don&#039;t think predominantly Christian countries have a right to expect Muslim countries to accept Christian proselytizing. 

Christian missionaries in the past faced hardships and death. I don&#039;t think it is the job of the West to guarantee the safety of missionaries in Muslim countries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He did not say, “except the Muslems” and therefore, we have a mandate.</i></p>
<p>Fine. As long as Christian proselytizers realize they are breaking the law in Muslim countries, let them do whatever they think is right . . . and pay the penalty for it. I think the native countries of the four arrested Christians have a right to pressure Libya to let them go, or to treat them leniently. I think it would be an atrocity if Christian missionaries were executed in Libya. But I don&#8217;t think predominantly Christian countries have a right to expect Muslim countries to accept Christian proselytizing. </p>
<p>Christian missionaries in the past faced hardships and death. I don&#8217;t think it is the job of the West to guarantee the safety of missionaries in Muslim countries.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Israel strongly discourages Christian proselytism within its borders. It is a Jewish state. Libya is a Muslim state, and it seems to me they have the right to do the same—although the death penalty is &lt;i&gt;far&lt;/i&gt; too extreme. It seems to me that if you argue the Boy Scouts have a right to exclude atheists and gay people, you should stand up for Libya&#039;s right to keep itself a Muslim country. 

&lt;i&gt;He did not say, “except the Muslems” and therefore, we have a mandate.&lt;/i&gt;

Fine, but be ready to accept rejection and even martyrdom. It is not the business of the United States or Christians to insist the Libya pass the First Amendment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel strongly discourages Christian proselytism within its borders. It is a Jewish state. Libya is a Muslim state, and it seems to me they have the right to do the same—although the death penalty is <i>far</i> too extreme. It seems to me that if you argue the Boy Scouts have a right to exclude atheists and gay people, you should stand up for Libya&#8217;s right to keep itself a Muslim country. </p>
<p><i>He did not say, “except the Muslems” and therefore, we have a mandate.</i></p>
<p>Fine, but be ready to accept rejection and even martyrdom. It is not the business of the United States or Christians to insist the Libya pass the First Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: supertradmum</title>
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		<dc:creator>supertradmum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting article, but there is one flaw, which I can excuse the author for not seeing.

For those of us who are committed Christians, we must obey the words of Christ, Who we believe is God. &quot;Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit&quot; Matthew 28:19

He did not say, &quot;except the Muslems&quot; and therefore, we have a mandate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, but there is one flaw, which I can excuse the author for not seeing.</p>
<p>For those of us who are committed Christians, we must obey the words of Christ, Who we believe is God. &#8220;Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit&#8221; Matthew 28:19</p>
<p>He did not say, &#8220;except the Muslems&#8221; and therefore, we have a mandate.</p>
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