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	<title>Comments on: NYC Sues Hasidic Shopkeepers Over Dress Codes</title>
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		<title>By: John Hinshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hinshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Be careful shooting fish in a barrel, Mark.  The hypocrisies of New York City are legion, and, as far as having more important things to worry about, city government is all about looking like you are doing something - there is very little thought to ought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful shooting fish in a barrel, Mark.  The hypocrisies of New York City are legion, and, as far as having more important things to worry about, city government is all about looking like you are doing something &#8211; there is very little thought to ought.</p>
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		<title>By: jason taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But their stores ARE their stores McDonald.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But their stores ARE their stores McDonald.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, it  is not your neighbourhood. It doesn&#039;t constitute a sovereign entity, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it  is not your neighbourhood. It doesn&#8217;t constitute a sovereign entity, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Dov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 23:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hasidim have the right to keep non-Jews out of their stores. Non-Jews do not share the same values of modesty; in fact, many do not have any modesty values at all.  This is our neighborhood; please dress correctly or stay out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasidim have the right to keep non-Jews out of their stores. Non-Jews do not share the same values of modesty; in fact, many do not have any modesty values at all.  This is our neighborhood; please dress correctly or stay out.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I was going to comment that &quot;low cut neckline&quot; is gender-specific; but then I thought of certain chest-hair-baring hipster fashions, and okay, I think you could make a case that the dress code applies equally to both sexes.

Is this not just another skirmish in the Hasidic turf wars in NYC? I feel like I&#039;ve read other stories about &quot;modesty patrols&quot; and so on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I was going to comment that &#8220;low cut neckline&#8221; is gender-specific; but then I thought of certain chest-hair-baring hipster fashions, and okay, I think you could make a case that the dress code applies equally to both sexes.</p>
<p>Is this not just another skirmish in the Hasidic turf wars in NYC? I feel like I&#8217;ve read other stories about &#8220;modesty patrols&#8221; and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the city claiming men and women have an equal right to go bare-chested in public? The conventions for dressing modestly are simply different for men and women. I suppose the signs could be rewritten to sound less &quot;discriminatory,&quot; but it seems to me they would then sound ridiculous. 

I don&#039;t think this is a matter of the city having more important problems to deal with. If this were real discrimination it would be worth pursuing. But I think it&#039;s a stretch to call this gender discrimination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the city claiming men and women have an equal right to go bare-chested in public? The conventions for dressing modestly are simply different for men and women. I suppose the signs could be rewritten to sound less &#8220;discriminatory,&#8221; but it seems to me they would then sound ridiculous. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is a matter of the city having more important problems to deal with. If this were real discrimination it would be worth pursuing. But I think it&#8217;s a stretch to call this gender discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: Devinicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devinicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clearly what should be banned are so-called &quot;human rights commissions&quot;.  They are state-empowered organizations whose main social functions are to harass and torment cultural and political conservatives.  Consider their ignominious track record in Canada, where every disgruntled crank can say &quot;jump&quot; and the relevant human rights commission forces some poor sap on the other end to respond &quot;how high?&quot;.  Or the New Mexico human right commission which first heard the case again the Christian photographer who refused to work a same-sex wedding.  Or the District of Columbia Human Rights Act which was used to attempt to force Catholic University to end single-sex dormitories.  Or ... well, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/sensitivity-apparat_697841.html?nopager=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;just read this&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly what should be banned are so-called &#8220;human rights commissions&#8221;.  They are state-empowered organizations whose main social functions are to harass and torment cultural and political conservatives.  Consider their ignominious track record in Canada, where every disgruntled crank can say &#8220;jump&#8221; and the relevant human rights commission forces some poor sap on the other end to respond &#8220;how high?&#8221;.  Or the New Mexico human right commission which first heard the case again the Christian photographer who refused to work a same-sex wedding.  Or the District of Columbia Human Rights Act which was used to attempt to force Catholic University to end single-sex dormitories.  Or &#8230; well, <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/sensitivity-apparat_697841.html?nopager=1" rel="nofollow">just read this</a>.</p>
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