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		<title>By: Richard Mackin,Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/02/21/why-the-rise-in-executive-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-91392</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mackin,Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jesus Christ was born in a stable and  worked HIS ministry and founded HIS Church without salary and worldly compensations. He walked everywhere (except the one time He rode on an ass into Jerusalem a week before His Passion/crucifixion) His ministry took Him.  Any wealthy  convert/follower of Jesus during His ministry (Mary Magdalene, Lazarus, Nicodemus and others) disposed of their wealth and used it for Church needs and assisting the poor and needy. Many CEOs probably do not even go to church or synagogue or think twice about the poor and needy unless their personal/corporate public recognition and/or financial gain. Many Ceos (even though  corporate executive has become their &quot;state in life&quot; have what God might call superfluous wealth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus Christ was born in a stable and  worked HIS ministry and founded HIS Church without salary and worldly compensations. He walked everywhere (except the one time He rode on an ass into Jerusalem a week before His Passion/crucifixion) His ministry took Him.  Any wealthy  convert/follower of Jesus during His ministry (Mary Magdalene, Lazarus, Nicodemus and others) disposed of their wealth and used it for Church needs and assisting the poor and needy. Many CEOs probably do not even go to church or synagogue or think twice about the poor and needy unless their personal/corporate public recognition and/or financial gain. Many Ceos (even though  corporate executive has become their &#8220;state in life&#8221; have what God might call superfluous wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Elyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha Elyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s first talk about peer benchmarking as a means of setting government employee pay.

Whatever the complaints of Anna Williams are about executive pay, she&#039;s not being shaken down for the money on threat of imprisonment as is the case for government employee pay.

Frankly, when I see someone bawling about how much money top executives of S&amp;P 500 companies make I suspect envy is burning in that someone&#039;s heart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s first talk about peer benchmarking as a means of setting government employee pay.</p>
<p>Whatever the complaints of Anna Williams are about executive pay, she&#8217;s not being shaken down for the money on threat of imprisonment as is the case for government employee pay.</p>
<p>Frankly, when I see someone bawling about how much money top executives of S&amp;P 500 companies make I suspect envy is burning in that someone&#8217;s heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Dooley</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/02/21/why-the-rise-in-executive-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-91313</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Dooley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fast-paced global competitive marketplace disincentivizes putting down roots that make corporate execs accountable to employees and the community they serve. Knowledge of the company and the market it serves is also more difficult since many come from different areas of the country or from different markets. Such an uprooted lifestyle, disassociated from place, is not preferable to one committed to home, family, and community. But boatloads of cash do much to offset this drawback.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fast-paced global competitive marketplace disincentivizes putting down roots that make corporate execs accountable to employees and the community they serve. Knowledge of the company and the market it serves is also more difficult since many come from different areas of the country or from different markets. Such an uprooted lifestyle, disassociated from place, is not preferable to one committed to home, family, and community. But boatloads of cash do much to offset this drawback.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/02/21/why-the-rise-in-executive-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-91267</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a myth that when money is involved professionals take a more measured and rational approach to the tasks and matters before them.  The opposite is true.  Board members are given to fads, superstitions, and hire consultants for tens of thousands of dollars to sell them reports of new &quot;revelations&quot; which are in fact what the employees had been trying to tell their superiors for a long time.  And boards will hire top ranked &quot;power&quot; executives who failed at their previous company.

On the one hand, one can say that, if the leadership in charge of the various institutions want to be fools, let them.  But when we look at the incomes of the top leadership and those their employees, even the most libertarian among us knows there is something wrong.  When we look at the severance payouts to failed top executives given the boot and note that the payout is more than the company&#039;s employees can ever hope to earn in their lifetimes, something is really wrong.
Government intervention is not the answer; but there must be something we can do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a myth that when money is involved professionals take a more measured and rational approach to the tasks and matters before them.  The opposite is true.  Board members are given to fads, superstitions, and hire consultants for tens of thousands of dollars to sell them reports of new &#8220;revelations&#8221; which are in fact what the employees had been trying to tell their superiors for a long time.  And boards will hire top ranked &#8220;power&#8221; executives who failed at their previous company.</p>
<p>On the one hand, one can say that, if the leadership in charge of the various institutions want to be fools, let them.  But when we look at the incomes of the top leadership and those their employees, even the most libertarian among us knows there is something wrong.  When we look at the severance payouts to failed top executives given the boot and note that the payout is more than the company&#8217;s employees can ever hope to earn in their lifetimes, something is really wrong.<br />
Government intervention is not the answer; but there must be something we can do.<br />
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		<title>By: Luket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why doesn&#039;t the article mention just how many execs were talking about, and some names, and just how much these salaries are? (I&#039;m glad Eisner was mentioned. He is one of the more egregious examples for sure.) Are we talking about a million execs, no. How about a hundred thousand? Don&#039;t think so. How about a thousand execs whose pay is way over the top? Perhaps, but that would be a stretch. And of those top execs how many are decent moral men and women who give back to their communities? And how much money are we talking about anyway? I know Eisner some time in the nineties, one year had a total compensation of around 230 million dollars and no one said a thing. I don&#039;t think most of these execs today make any where near that. Most of these people annually salary is on par with the top atheletes. If it&#039;s ok for atheletes why isn&#039;t it ok for executives who run corporations that employ ten&#039;s of thousands of people?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t the article mention just how many execs were talking about, and some names, and just how much these salaries are? (I&#8217;m glad Eisner was mentioned. He is one of the more egregious examples for sure.) Are we talking about a million execs, no. How about a hundred thousand? Don&#8217;t think so. How about a thousand execs whose pay is way over the top? Perhaps, but that would be a stretch. And of those top execs how many are decent moral men and women who give back to their communities? And how much money are we talking about anyway? I know Eisner some time in the nineties, one year had a total compensation of around 230 million dollars and no one said a thing. I don&#8217;t think most of these execs today make any where near that. Most of these people annually salary is on par with the top atheletes. If it&#8217;s ok for atheletes why isn&#8217;t it ok for executives who run corporations that employ ten&#8217;s of thousands of people?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/02/21/why-the-rise-in-executive-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-91214</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@John, you may be interested in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracyjournal.org/26/the-stakeholder-strategy.php?page%3Dall&amp;page=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; in the policy journal &lt;em&gt;Democracy&lt;/em&gt; on reforming corporate governance---it describes the problems with that race to the bottom. It&#039;s aimed at liberals (the article and the journal), but I think there&#039;s a lot in there that many conservatives could support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John, you may be interested in <a href="http://www.democracyjournal.org/26/the-stakeholder-strategy.php?page%3Dall&#038;page=1" rel="nofollow">this article</a> in the policy journal <em>Democracy</em> on reforming corporate governance&#8212;it describes the problems with that race to the bottom. It&#8217;s aimed at liberals (the article and the journal), but I think there&#8217;s a lot in there that many conservatives could support.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Benchmarking is another word for competition. Competing for your talent necessarily means paying more than others are willing to pay. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Corporate governance is a problem with no easy solution. One idea is to make board membership a licensed profession. Another is to reserve a seat for a union rep or consumer advocacy group.

I&#039;d point out that part of the problem is that corporate governance is regulated primarily by state law. There&#039;s no better example of a race to the bottom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benchmarking is another word for competition. Competing for your talent necessarily means paying more than others are willing to pay. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.</p>
<p>Corporate governance is a problem with no easy solution. One idea is to make board membership a licensed profession. Another is to reserve a seat for a union rep or consumer advocacy group.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d point out that part of the problem is that corporate governance is regulated primarily by state law. There&#8217;s no better example of a race to the bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Billingsley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Billingsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peer benchmarking and personal relationships with board members.  This is just another flavor of &quot;they do it because they can and get away with it&quot;.  

The sense of stigma for what is perceived to be out of bounds compensation in the past included board members and the way that compensation was arrived at for executives.  Those social expectations have changed and this is a big factor in how it is done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peer benchmarking and personal relationships with board members.  This is just another flavor of &#8220;they do it because they can and get away with it&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The sense of stigma for what is perceived to be out of bounds compensation in the past included board members and the way that compensation was arrived at for executives.  Those social expectations have changed and this is a big factor in how it is done.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hundt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hundt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the NBA, they use leather balls.  I see what you mean about crudity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the NBA, they use leather balls.  I see what you mean about crudity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s plenty of crudity in how it&#039;s phrased, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this essay&lt;/a&gt; does make a couple salient points.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Hey, I work hard for what I have!&quot; is perfectly true. It&#039;s also insulting... for the exact same reason &quot;Hey, I love my country!&quot; is insulting: It implies that the listener doesn&#039;t. Otherwise there&#039;d be no reason to say it. It implies a bizarre alternate reality where society rewards you purely based on how much effort you exert, rather than according to how well your specific talents fit in with the needs of the marketplace in the particular era and part of the world in which you were born. It implies that the great investment banker makes 10 times more than a great nurse only because the banker works 10 times as hard.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;You can reply that if some other field paid more, you&#039;d have just simply switched to it and been equally successful, due to your smarts and determination. You know, like how the smart and determined Michael Jordan was equally successful as a basketball player (six titles, $70 million a year) and baseball player (batted .202 in the minors) and team owner (his Charlotte Bobcats are currently 4-28).&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Hmm ... wait a second. Man, it&#039;s almost like Michael&#039;s hard work and determination wouldn&#039;t have made him rich if he hadn&#039;t happened to have been born in the one place and one time in human history where a man could get rich throwing a rubber ball through a small metal hoop.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s plenty of crudity in how it&#8217;s phrased, but <a href="http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/" rel="nofollow">this essay</a> does make a couple salient points.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Hey, I work hard for what I have!&#8221; is perfectly true. It&#8217;s also insulting&#8230; for the exact same reason &#8220;Hey, I love my country!&#8221; is insulting: It implies that the listener doesn&#8217;t. Otherwise there&#8217;d be no reason to say it. It implies a bizarre alternate reality where society rewards you purely based on how much effort you exert, rather than according to how well your specific talents fit in with the needs of the marketplace in the particular era and part of the world in which you were born. It implies that the great investment banker makes 10 times more than a great nurse only because the banker works 10 times as hard.</i></p>
<p><i>You can reply that if some other field paid more, you&#8217;d have just simply switched to it and been equally successful, due to your smarts and determination. You know, like how the smart and determined Michael Jordan was equally successful as a basketball player (six titles, $70 million a year) and baseball player (batted .202 in the minors) and team owner (his Charlotte Bobcats are currently 4-28).</i></p>
<p><i>Hmm &#8230; wait a second. Man, it&#8217;s almost like Michael&#8217;s hard work and determination wouldn&#8217;t have made him rich if he hadn&#8217;t happened to have been born in the one place and one time in human history where a man could get rich throwing a rubber ball through a small metal hoop.</i></p>
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