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		<title>By: Michael PS</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/03/14/an-argentine-and-a-jesuit/comment-page-1/#comment-93303</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael PS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely a language is uniquely both the product and the vehicle of its culture and essential to its transmission.

Every language is a way of life based on patterns of communal experience.  Those who know its songs and stories only in translation are, at best, sympathetic outsiders, not  participants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely a language is uniquely both the product and the vehicle of its culture and essential to its transmission.</p>
<p>Every language is a way of life based on patterns of communal experience.  Those who know its songs and stories only in translation are, at best, sympathetic outsiders, not  participants.</p>
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		<title>By: Petro</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/03/14/an-argentine-and-a-jesuit/comment-page-1/#comment-93294</link>
		<dc:creator>Petro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Noting that another part of the world does a better job at something than we do is not denigrating our country. While you use beautiful words to describe an American ideal, the truth is that most second generation Americans have few ties back to the cultural traditions of their ancestors, with a notable exception being Catholicism; though even our Catholicism is not that of our ancestors.

While you state that there are deeper and more substantial ways to carry forward a culture, you&#039;re basically speaking in abstractions. What specifically are these &quot;good and true&quot; pieces of other cultures that we have brought into our country? What are the &quot;mistakes&quot; and &quot;inconsistencies&quot; that we filtered out?

There are clear benefits to our culture in the United States. There are devastating drawbacks to the cultural situation in South America. This does not change the fact that the general pattern of immigration into the United States is one of assimilating into the culture within two generations and leaving your cultural traditions of language, art, and lifestyle behind. To state this is not to disrespect our history, but to acknowledge our history for what it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noting that another part of the world does a better job at something than we do is not denigrating our country. While you use beautiful words to describe an American ideal, the truth is that most second generation Americans have few ties back to the cultural traditions of their ancestors, with a notable exception being Catholicism; though even our Catholicism is not that of our ancestors.</p>
<p>While you state that there are deeper and more substantial ways to carry forward a culture, you&#8217;re basically speaking in abstractions. What specifically are these &#8220;good and true&#8221; pieces of other cultures that we have brought into our country? What are the &#8220;mistakes&#8221; and &#8220;inconsistencies&#8221; that we filtered out?</p>
<p>There are clear benefits to our culture in the United States. There are devastating drawbacks to the cultural situation in South America. This does not change the fact that the general pattern of immigration into the United States is one of assimilating into the culture within two generations and leaving your cultural traditions of language, art, and lifestyle behind. To state this is not to disrespect our history, but to acknowledge our history for what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: A Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The last two sentences of my previous comment are unclear.  I would like to try again.

Understanding several languages including of language of one&#039;s ancestors is of course valuable and good.  An acquaintance with the cuisine of other nations and peoples including that of one&#039;s ancestry is enriching.  

The point I hope to make is:  There is a deeper, more substantial way, to preserve a culture - a way that does not necessarily entail knowing the customs or even the language. It is rather one that carries forward all that was good and true in that culture while attempting to eliminate the mistakes, the inconsistencies, the deformations. 

This is what in my opinion many of the people of good will who came to the United States had in mind.  We did not succeed.  No human enterprise ever does;  not completely.  But progress was made.  And it was good.  Just as good as any progress made in South America and other parts of the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last two sentences of my previous comment are unclear.  I would like to try again.</p>
<p>Understanding several languages including of language of one&#8217;s ancestors is of course valuable and good.  An acquaintance with the cuisine of other nations and peoples including that of one&#8217;s ancestry is enriching.  </p>
<p>The point I hope to make is:  There is a deeper, more substantial way, to preserve a culture &#8211; a way that does not necessarily entail knowing the customs or even the language. It is rather one that carries forward all that was good and true in that culture while attempting to eliminate the mistakes, the inconsistencies, the deformations. </p>
<p>This is what in my opinion many of the people of good will who came to the United States had in mind.  We did not succeed.  No human enterprise ever does;  not completely.  But progress was made.  And it was good.  Just as good as any progress made in South America and other parts of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: A Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/03/14/an-argentine-and-a-jesuit/comment-page-1/#comment-93247</link>
		<dc:creator>A Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To become a citizen of the United States of America was not to become &quot;vanilla&quot; or &quot;generalized&quot;.  It was more a process of carrying forward and integrating the timeless aspects of one&#039;s ancestry; knitting the threads of one&#039;s past, its customs and faith, with new threads, into a colorful, multi-textured cloth.  

This &quot;new cloth&quot; of the United States had and has the same possibilities as those of South America (or any other land for that matter) for good and evil.  It is in my opinion a mistake to need to denigrate one in order to uplift the other. 

 Our history is deserving of respect for the great good things that have been accomplished here for the peoples of the world.  It stands of course in needs of constant, sometime severe, correction, as do other political entities in the world, as they have since time began.  

Human diversity is found in each person&#039;s inner self.  It does not require any particular language or customs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To become a citizen of the United States of America was not to become &#8220;vanilla&#8221; or &#8220;generalized&#8221;.  It was more a process of carrying forward and integrating the timeless aspects of one&#8217;s ancestry; knitting the threads of one&#8217;s past, its customs and faith, with new threads, into a colorful, multi-textured cloth.  </p>
<p>This &#8220;new cloth&#8221; of the United States had and has the same possibilities as those of South America (or any other land for that matter) for good and evil.  It is in my opinion a mistake to need to denigrate one in order to uplift the other. </p>
<p> Our history is deserving of respect for the great good things that have been accomplished here for the peoples of the world.  It stands of course in needs of constant, sometime severe, correction, as do other political entities in the world, as they have since time began.  </p>
<p>Human diversity is found in each person&#8217;s inner self.  It does not require any particular language or customs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Petro, I saw your comments on Twitter. I know close to nothing about South America so I&#039;m grateful for the context. Regarding the assimilation of immigrants in the US into a vanilla, generalized culture, I agree that it is a pity. I&#039;ve been told (by a woman I know who grew up in Canada) that it&#039;s different in Canada---for example, Canadians whose great-grandparents emigrated from Germany may still speak German and cook German food, whereas in the U.S. it would be extremely unusual for even the grandchildren of German immigrants to speak German.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Petro, I saw your comments on Twitter. I know close to nothing about South America so I&#8217;m grateful for the context. Regarding the assimilation of immigrants in the US into a vanilla, generalized culture, I agree that it is a pity. I&#8217;ve been told (by a woman I know who grew up in Canada) that it&#8217;s different in Canada&#8212;for example, Canadians whose great-grandparents emigrated from Germany may still speak German and cook German food, whereas in the U.S. it would be extremely unusual for even the grandchildren of German immigrants to speak German.</p>
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		<title>By: Cbalducc</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/03/14/an-argentine-and-a-jesuit/comment-page-1/#comment-93199</link>
		<dc:creator>Cbalducc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish Pope Francis would conduct a house-cleaning of the Jesuits.  The one-time &quot;Pope&#039;s Marines&quot; have long since surrendered to the secular leftist Zeitgeist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Pope Francis would conduct a house-cleaning of the Jesuits.  The one-time &#8220;Pope&#8217;s Marines&#8221; have long since surrendered to the secular leftist Zeitgeist.</p>
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		<title>By: Petro</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/03/14/an-argentine-and-a-jesuit/comment-page-1/#comment-93195</link>
		<dc:creator>Petro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I twitter-ranted about this. It&#039;s important for people to realize that most of South America is as multicultural as the United States, with the added benefit of healthy indigenous cultures that were, for the most part, not destroyed as in the United States.

All of Eastern South America has a heavy German and Italian influence on its culture, Argentina especially, but also Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay. Much of this immigration occurred at the same time as immigration to the United States of the same peoples.

Western South America, particularly Peru, has a heavy Chinese and Japanese influence on its culture from immigrants who arrived from those countries at about the same time that they arrived in the Western United States. A recent Peruvian president was of Japanese descent. 

I know it&#039;s jingoistic for the United States to pride itself on being a nation of immigrants, but we are not the only multicultural nation in the world. And, in some ways, South American countries have done a better job of acknowledging the importance of maintaining the uniqueness of these cultures rather than forcing assimilation into a more vanilla, generalized culture as we do in the United States.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I twitter-ranted about this. It&#8217;s important for people to realize that most of South America is as multicultural as the United States, with the added benefit of healthy indigenous cultures that were, for the most part, not destroyed as in the United States.</p>
<p>All of Eastern South America has a heavy German and Italian influence on its culture, Argentina especially, but also Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay. Much of this immigration occurred at the same time as immigration to the United States of the same peoples.</p>
<p>Western South America, particularly Peru, has a heavy Chinese and Japanese influence on its culture from immigrants who arrived from those countries at about the same time that they arrived in the Western United States. A recent Peruvian president was of Japanese descent. </p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s jingoistic for the United States to pride itself on being a nation of immigrants, but we are not the only multicultural nation in the world. And, in some ways, South American countries have done a better job of acknowledging the importance of maintaining the uniqueness of these cultures rather than forcing assimilation into a more vanilla, generalized culture as we do in the United States.</p>
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