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		<title>By: Fr. James Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. James Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The complaint, and the inference of message stems from the difference of attitude with regard for ritual. From a traditional standpoint, ritual does not exist to convey the personality, but to communicate an underlying reality about the occasion or office. The concern is precisely that Pope Francis IS BEING HIMSELF or more to the point, putting himself before the office as compared to Benedict or John XXIII who submitted to a ritual not of their choosing, but chosen by tradition. Please consider this from the perspective of C. S Lewis:
“The modern habit of doing ceremonial things unceremoniously is no proof of humility; rather it proves the offender&#039;s inability to forget himself in the rite, and his readiness to spoil for every one else the proper pleasure of ritual.”  - C. S. Lewis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The complaint, and the inference of message stems from the difference of attitude with regard for ritual. From a traditional standpoint, ritual does not exist to convey the personality, but to communicate an underlying reality about the occasion or office. The concern is precisely that Pope Francis IS BEING HIMSELF or more to the point, putting himself before the office as compared to Benedict or John XXIII who submitted to a ritual not of their choosing, but chosen by tradition. Please consider this from the perspective of C. S Lewis:<br />
“The modern habit of doing ceremonial things unceremoniously is no proof of humility; rather it proves the offender&#8217;s inability to forget himself in the rite, and his readiness to spoil for every one else the proper pleasure of ritual.”  &#8211; C. S. Lewis</p>
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		<title>By: jfm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...the representation of a bishop-pope and not of an emperor-pope&quot;

Guffaw, since no one under sixty has even the remotest memory of an authoritarian Pope.

The future of this Pope may indeed be impressive, but the hype right now is embarrassing. Elsewhere here, William Doino&#039;s FT piece is indicative, and more fitting as a press release than anything else. I agree with Mills that the early criticism of PF is out of place. But even more so may be the ridiculous spectacle of Pope-worship being demonstrated. This man might as well be Taylor Swift. Why can&#039;t we simply let him rule, and allow his actions to define his new role? Instead, we will be subjected to umpteen columns and comments pointedly praising his INTENSE humility and RIVETING advocacy for the Poor. If I read a statement as controlled as, &quot;He is reported to be a sincere man of faith and who in his ministry choices has also shown a strong advocacy for the poor,&quot; I&#039;d commend its writer. The only Catholic-authored piece I have seen so far that corresponds with journalistic sanity is that of Ross Douthat&#039;s in the NYT, of all places. Sheeeeeeesh.

PF himself seems already pulled and tugged into pointless meetings and photo opps to the point one can rightly wonder, &quot;How can the Pope ever even begin to get to his job?&quot; No wonder the Church&#039;s admin is such a mess. Makes one understand why Ratzinger ended up fleeing the position that is looking an awful lot right now like that of Friar + Hugger-in-Chief. That sound you hear is camera flashes in the background.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the representation of a bishop-pope and not of an emperor-pope&#8221;</p>
<p>Guffaw, since no one under sixty has even the remotest memory of an authoritarian Pope.</p>
<p>The future of this Pope may indeed be impressive, but the hype right now is embarrassing. Elsewhere here, William Doino&#8217;s FT piece is indicative, and more fitting as a press release than anything else. I agree with Mills that the early criticism of PF is out of place. But even more so may be the ridiculous spectacle of Pope-worship being demonstrated. This man might as well be Taylor Swift. Why can&#8217;t we simply let him rule, and allow his actions to define his new role? Instead, we will be subjected to umpteen columns and comments pointedly praising his INTENSE humility and RIVETING advocacy for the Poor. If I read a statement as controlled as, &#8220;He is reported to be a sincere man of faith and who in his ministry choices has also shown a strong advocacy for the poor,&#8221; I&#8217;d commend its writer. The only Catholic-authored piece I have seen so far that corresponds with journalistic sanity is that of Ross Douthat&#8217;s in the NYT, of all places. Sheeeeeeesh.</p>
<p>PF himself seems already pulled and tugged into pointless meetings and photo opps to the point one can rightly wonder, &#8220;How can the Pope ever even begin to get to his job?&#8221; No wonder the Church&#8217;s admin is such a mess. Makes one understand why Ratzinger ended up fleeing the position that is looking an awful lot right now like that of Friar + Hugger-in-Chief. That sound you hear is camera flashes in the background.</p>
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		<title>By: jfm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 02:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Nickol, given Pope Francis&#039;s prior relationships to eastern Christians who are Catholic, do you think that his emphasis on being the &quot;Bishop of Rome&quot; is a step toward reconciliation with the Eastern Orthodox churches?  (Indeed, on the balcony of St. Peter&#039;s, he referred to Pope Benedict XVI as the former bishop of Rome - which, in my opinion, is the more appropriate title [Bishope Emeritus of Rome] as there is and always will only be one pope at any one time.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Nickol, given Pope Francis&#8217;s prior relationships to eastern Christians who are Catholic, do you think that his emphasis on being the &#8220;Bishop of Rome&#8221; is a step toward reconciliation with the Eastern Orthodox churches?  (Indeed, on the balcony of St. Peter&#8217;s, he referred to Pope Benedict XVI as the former bishop of Rome &#8211; which, in my opinion, is the more appropriate title [Bishope Emeritus of Rome] as there is and always will only be one pope at any one time.)</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nickol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Francis Is Not Criticizing Benedict By Being Himself&lt;/i&gt;

There is some wishful thinking going on, and it may be among those who see Pope Francis&#039;s small gestures of humility as harbingers of more significant changes to come, or among those who do not. On the side of the former is  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/?p=24715&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marco Politi of &lt;i&gt;La Repubblica&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; quoted at length by Father Komonchak on dotCommonweal. Here&#039;s a brief excerpt: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the breach opened by Ratzinger, Pope Bergoglio is proceeding on this path, convinced that to enter into communication with contemporary humanity requires a resolute return to the essence of the Gospel. From his first moment Francis has presented himself as “Bishop of Rome,” consistently referring to the cardinals, most of them archbishops of dioceses throughout the world, as “brothers.” It is the representation of a bishop-pope and not of an emperor-pope who with his red mantle and his purple shoes appeared for more than a millennium as an absolute monarch. The triple crown of the “triregno” symbolized that the pope was above any earthly authority. Thus gradually Francis is dismantling the power-papacy of Gregory VII, the absolutism of the Council of Trent, the claimed infallibility of Pius IX. . . . &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Francis Is Not Criticizing Benedict By Being Himself</i></p>
<p>There is some wishful thinking going on, and it may be among those who see Pope Francis&#8217;s small gestures of humility as harbingers of more significant changes to come, or among those who do not. On the side of the former is  <a href="http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/?p=24715" rel="nofollow">Marco Politi of <i>La Repubblica</i></a> quoted at length by Father Komonchak on dotCommonweal. Here&#8217;s a brief excerpt: </p>
<blockquote><p>In the breach opened by Ratzinger, Pope Bergoglio is proceeding on this path, convinced that to enter into communication with contemporary humanity requires a resolute return to the essence of the Gospel. From his first moment Francis has presented himself as “Bishop of Rome,” consistently referring to the cardinals, most of them archbishops of dioceses throughout the world, as “brothers.” It is the representation of a bishop-pope and not of an emperor-pope who with his red mantle and his purple shoes appeared for more than a millennium as an absolute monarch. The triple crown of the “triregno” symbolized that the pope was above any earthly authority. Thus gradually Francis is dismantling the power-papacy of Gregory VII, the absolutism of the Council of Trent, the claimed infallibility of Pius IX. . . . </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: John E</title>
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		<dc:creator>John E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Pope Francis is really doing what the traditionalist writer complains of (e.g., &quot;Already some of the small breaks with liturgical tradition at the announcement of his election are being interpreted as a move toward the grand, unruly, and improvisational style of John Paul II ...&quot;) that would seem to be a good thing to me!  But I&#039;m just a Protestant who appreciated and had affection for John Paul II so what do I know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Pope Francis is really doing what the traditionalist writer complains of (e.g., &#8220;Already some of the small breaks with liturgical tradition at the announcement of his election are being interpreted as a move toward the grand, unruly, and improvisational style of John Paul II &#8230;&#8221;) that would seem to be a good thing to me!  But I&#8217;m just a Protestant who appreciated and had affection for John Paul II so what do I know?</p>
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		<title>By: jfm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may be missing something here.  On a practical level, how important is the establishment of an English-speaking ordinariate to Spanish-speaking Argentina?  Aren&#039;t Anglican Masses in Argentina celebrated in Spanish?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be missing something here.  On a practical level, how important is the establishment of an English-speaking ordinariate to Spanish-speaking Argentina?  Aren&#8217;t Anglican Masses in Argentina celebrated in Spanish?</p>
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		<title>By: pgk</title>
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		<dc:creator>pgk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen some allegations among &quot;rad-trads&quot; that the Holy Father didn&#039;t &quot;implement&quot; &lt;i&gt;Summorum Pontificum&lt;/i&gt;. Has anyone actually read it?

&lt;i&gt;Summorum Pontificum&lt;/i&gt; authorizes the use of the Extraordinary Form &lt;i&gt;without the permission of&lt;/i&gt; the diocesan bishop. That&#039;s what S.P. does.

So how exactly is a bishop supposed to implement something which effectively negates his authority (in a particular matter)?

Rad-trads (I&#039;m looking at you, Rorate Caeli) ... did Abp. Bergoglio violate S.P. in any way? Or did he merely continue to support the O.F., which, in a sober analysis of canon law, it was his duty to do? 

To suggest that Bergoglio as archbishop actively violated a &lt;i&gt;motu proprio&lt;/i&gt; is a pretty serious allegation. I would like to think that anyone who would make such allegations publicly would have a large array of material evidence to support such a claim.

Instead, we have the &quot;more-Catholic-than-the-pope&quot; Rorate Caeli crowd spreading rumors based on uncorroborated allegations of bloggers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen some allegations among &#8220;rad-trads&#8221; that the Holy Father didn&#8217;t &#8220;implement&#8221; <i>Summorum Pontificum</i>. Has anyone actually read it?</p>
<p><i>Summorum Pontificum</i> authorizes the use of the Extraordinary Form <i>without the permission of</i> the diocesan bishop. That&#8217;s what S.P. does.</p>
<p>So how exactly is a bishop supposed to implement something which effectively negates his authority (in a particular matter)?</p>
<p>Rad-trads (I&#8217;m looking at you, Rorate Caeli) &#8230; did Abp. Bergoglio violate S.P. in any way? Or did he merely continue to support the O.F., which, in a sober analysis of canon law, it was his duty to do? </p>
<p>To suggest that Bergoglio as archbishop actively violated a <i>motu proprio</i> is a pretty serious allegation. I would like to think that anyone who would make such allegations publicly would have a large array of material evidence to support such a claim.</p>
<p>Instead, we have the &#8220;more-Catholic-than-the-pope&#8221; Rorate Caeli crowd spreading rumors based on uncorroborated allegations of bloggers.</p>
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		<title>By: David Mills</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[// Mostly people just MAKE UP reasons to like him based on their shallow impressions of South Americans or their feelings about St. Francis. //

Oh, really. This is, um, sloppy and silly, though it is coherent. 

There is, by the way, no evidence that Francis has &quot;publicly&quot; criticized the Anglican Ordinariate. We have just one quote from an interested party (an Anglican bishop) to say that he did criticize it and that man was reporting a private conversation. I have my doubts he (Francis) said it. But in any case, this kind of mistake doesn&#039;t make one confident in the other claims or in the general claim that &quot;These are the facts.&quot; 

Also, no one, as far as I can tell, is made at Mr. Daugherty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>// Mostly people just MAKE UP reasons to like him based on their shallow impressions of South Americans or their feelings about St. Francis. //</p>
<p>Oh, really. This is, um, sloppy and silly, though it is coherent. </p>
<p>There is, by the way, no evidence that Francis has &#8220;publicly&#8221; criticized the Anglican Ordinariate. We have just one quote from an interested party (an Anglican bishop) to say that he did criticize it and that man was reporting a private conversation. I have my doubts he (Francis) said it. But in any case, this kind of mistake doesn&#8217;t make one confident in the other claims or in the general claim that &#8220;These are the facts.&#8221; </p>
<p>Also, no one, as far as I can tell, is made at Mr. Daugherty.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When did Card. Bergoglio &quot;publicly criticize[] the Anglican Ordinariate&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did Card. Bergoglio &#8220;publicly criticize[] the Anglican Ordinariate&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: John, the inquisitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John, the inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first half of my inquiry is partially answered but not the second. What of the comment regarding the revision of the vernacular missal?  

Hopeless?  I think not. The divine is never hopeless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first half of my inquiry is partially answered but not the second. What of the comment regarding the revision of the vernacular missal?  </p>
<p>Hopeless?  I think not. The divine is never hopeless.</p>
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