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	<title>Comments on: Tolstoy and the Rousseau Threshold</title>
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		<title>By: Withywindle</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/helen-rittelmeyer/2013/01/08/tolstoy-and-the-rousseau-threshold/#comment-4066</link>
		<dc:creator>Withywindle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 02:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Criticizing Rousseau is MSI-bait ... my own interests include tracing the history of poetics, conceived of for a good length in time in rhetorical terms, where a work of art is an argument to be made. What&#039;s interesting is how, in our formal assumptions, the argument of &lt;i&gt;ethos&lt;/i&gt;, character, transfers from the actual author to the characters within the novel--but in our informal assumptions, the older conception retains great pull. I.e., in 1350, or even 1650, everyone would have said, &quot;if Tolstoy is a schmuck, his novel must be awful&quot;; but by 1850, the formal assumption would be that Tolstoy&#039;s schmuckiness is irrelevant to the arguments made/incarnated by the characters in his novels. But that&#039;s purely on the level of formal poetics: we&#039;ve never stopped caring about the schmuckiness of authors. (See Eliot, Pound, and Larkin, Anti-Semitism of, Ink Spilled by the Gallon about.) Or perhaps I should say the older version survives as a subaltern poetics, largely because I want to use the phrase &quot;subaltern poetics,&quot; since you don&#039;t get the chance every day. And the converse certainly survives as a strong cultural trope, Romanticized: the Poet as Moral Hero, making Real-World Arguments that Draw on his God-Like Genius for Authority. This self-importance should be soundly thrashed on principle, and in practice it&#039;s useful to have a blowhard like Tolstoy caught out on his schmuckiness, so we can say, &quot;Moral Hero, my Aunt Fanny.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I confess I am to some extent a modern: I thought &lt;i&gt;Anna Karenina&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;War and Peace&lt;/i&gt; were wonderful books, and I&#039;m not going to stop thinking that even when I do find out that Tolstoy ate babies in borscht. Or shall I say, the argument of the author&#039;s character is discreditable, but does not by itself disqualify the arguments of the author&#039;s characters. Both matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also have strong reactions against using &quot;conservative&quot; as an adjective, as it is infinitely malleable in practice, and tends to be used to mean &quot;Plusgood Stuff I Doubleplus Like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criticizing Rousseau is MSI-bait &#8230; my own interests include tracing the history of poetics, conceived of for a good length in time in rhetorical terms, where a work of art is an argument to be made. What&#39;s interesting is how, in our formal assumptions, the argument of <i>ethos</i>, character, transfers from the actual author to the characters within the novel&#8211;but in our informal assumptions, the older conception retains great pull. I.e., in 1350, or even 1650, everyone would have said, &quot;if Tolstoy is a schmuck, his novel must be awful&quot;; but by 1850, the formal assumption would be that Tolstoy&#39;s schmuckiness is irrelevant to the arguments made/incarnated by the characters in his novels. But that&#39;s purely on the level of formal poetics: we&#39;ve never stopped caring about the schmuckiness of authors. (See Eliot, Pound, and Larkin, Anti-Semitism of, Ink Spilled by the Gallon about.) Or perhaps I should say the older version survives as a subaltern poetics, largely because I want to use the phrase &quot;subaltern poetics,&quot; since you don&#39;t get the chance every day. And the converse certainly survives as a strong cultural trope, Romanticized: the Poet as Moral Hero, making Real-World Arguments that Draw on his God-Like Genius for Authority. This self-importance should be soundly thrashed on principle, and in practice it&#39;s useful to have a blowhard like Tolstoy caught out on his schmuckiness, so we can say, &quot;Moral Hero, my Aunt Fanny.&quot;</p>
<p>I confess I am to some extent a modern: I thought <i>Anna Karenina</i> and <i>War and Peace</i> were wonderful books, and I&#39;m not going to stop thinking that even when I do find out that Tolstoy ate babies in borscht. Or shall I say, the argument of the author&#39;s character is discreditable, but does not by itself disqualify the arguments of the author&#39;s characters. Both matter.</p>
<p>I also have strong reactions against using &quot;conservative&quot; as an adjective, as it is infinitely malleable in practice, and tends to be used to mean &quot;Plusgood Stuff I Doubleplus Like.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Self-Important</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Self-Important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The fact that he abandoned all his children does not make Émile ironic. It makes it worthless.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;Worthless for what? Worthless as a straightforward guide to childrearing? Perhaps, but what if Rousseau never meant it to be one in the first place? Or worthless as a psychology and critique of liberalism? On your terms, his being a scoundrel shouldn&#039;t disqualify Rousseau from being taken seriously on those questions. I think all he ever claimed that his own life exemplified is the last remaining possibility for freedom in modern society - radical individualism and isolation - and his being a scoundrel doesn&#039;t contradict that argument. The claim might be wrong, but his way of demonstrating it can&#039;t be said to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;The fact that he abandoned all his children does not make Émile ironic. It makes it worthless.&quot;<br />Worthless for what? Worthless as a straightforward guide to childrearing? Perhaps, but what if Rousseau never meant it to be one in the first place? Or worthless as a psychology and critique of liberalism? On your terms, his being a scoundrel shouldn&#39;t disqualify Rousseau from being taken seriously on those questions. I think all he ever claimed that his own life exemplified is the last remaining possibility for freedom in modern society &#8211; radical individualism and isolation &#8211; and his being a scoundrel doesn&#39;t contradict that argument. The claim might be wrong, but his way of demonstrating it can&#39;t be said to be.</p>
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