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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2009/05/14/thinking-through-postmodern-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-15833</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can one realistically understand our limitations if those limitations are essentially wrapped up in the mystery of life itself? postmodern conservativism attempts to explain, by way of personal narrative, how life is really experienced; but how does this speak to those not raised in dull suburbia? How can we speak of virtue if our life is void of any virtuous experience itself? In the end one has to accept, a priori, what post modern conservatives say as true and hope its also true for all walks of human experience. Only a virgin to discipline and to life in general could take postmodern conservative seriously. The funny thing is that postmodern conservatives are college professors and intellectuals that have devoted themselves to the same rational and scholarly discourse they preach against, all the while mascarading as common men]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can one realistically understand our limitations if those limitations are essentially wrapped up in the mystery of life itself? postmodern conservativism attempts to explain, by way of personal narrative, how life is really experienced; but how does this speak to those not raised in dull suburbia? How can we speak of virtue if our life is void of any virtuous experience itself? In the end one has to accept, a priori, what post modern conservatives say as true and hope its also true for all walks of human experience. Only a virgin to discipline and to life in general could take postmodern conservative seriously. The funny thing is that postmodern conservatives are college professors and intellectuals that have devoted themselves to the same rational and scholarly discourse they preach against, all the while mascarading as common men</p>
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		<title>By: Statements in Revision&#8230; &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2009/05/14/thinking-through-postmodern-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-7116</link>
		<dc:creator>Statements in Revision&#8230; &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the reconciliation of “postmodern conservatism” (a thought on the term here and a succinct summary from Peter Lawler here) something like this: postmodernism rejects the grand [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the reconciliation of “postmodern conservatism” (a thought on the term here and a succinct summary from Peter Lawler here) something like this: postmodernism rejects the grand [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2009/05/14/thinking-through-postmodern-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-5430</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eloquent and nuanced post, you really are a postmodern conservative.  And challenging comment from John:  Lawler is more compelling than Kirk but less charming that Percy.  And Lawler will become Kirk in 30 years.  I&#039;m for that if it means that Lawler will still be earth bound and intellectually evolving in 30 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eloquent and nuanced post, you really are a postmodern conservative.  And challenging comment from John:  Lawler is more compelling than Kirk but less charming that Percy.  And Lawler will become Kirk in 30 years.  I&#8217;m for that if it means that Lawler will still be earth bound and intellectually evolving in 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Cupp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Cupp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like you, I see a similarity, and therefore opportunity for dialogue, between the conservative distrust of ideology and the postmodern incredulity toward meta-narratives.  Although the projects are different, both have much to offer each other.  I’d like, for example, to see Burke and Kirk brought into dialogue with Lyotard and Derrida.  Their ideas couldn’t, of course, be fused into a singular system – that would be neither conservative nor postmodern – but I think an engagement between them would be fascinating and fruitful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you, I see a similarity, and therefore opportunity for dialogue, between the conservative distrust of ideology and the postmodern incredulity toward meta-narratives.  Although the projects are different, both have much to offer each other.  I’d like, for example, to see Burke and Kirk brought into dialogue with Lyotard and Derrida.  Their ideas couldn’t, of course, be fused into a singular system – that would be neither conservative nor postmodern – but I think an engagement between them would be fascinating and fruitful.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this a critique of modernity premised on sources outside of modernity, a la conservatism, or is it postmodern?

I get the conservative part--&quot;the accumulated wisdom of generations&quot; that show forth in various communities, but I&#039;m not sure about the modifier postmodern. Mr. Jones offers Kirk and Lawler as atypical moderns or postmoderns who offer alternative responses to modernity.

Neither (for all their fundamental differences) embraces--or would embrace--an alternative to Lyotard, for instance--with Habermas&#039;s communicative rationality. So neither seeks a Habermasian &quot;completion&quot; of modernity.

Nonetheless, Kirk and Lawler offer crucial differences. Kirk offers useful warnings against &quot;earthly totality.&quot; But as such, he leaves nothing but an idea of what one is against. Kirk becomes practically stale as time wears on (even though there is much wisdom in his writings). 

Lawler (more positively) speaks of a return to &quot;realism,&quot; and he charms the reader with multiple descriptions of life in ordinary suburbia. (Though not as charming as one of my own and Lawler&#039;s &quot;heroes&quot;--Walker Percy). This is a life that remains uncertain, must still deal with human finitude, and that still offers an opportunity for choice--even if it is all too ordinary. It still offers choice because as Tocqueville notes--human desire for knowledge of the good will become manifest regardless of how much modern democracy transmogrifies it. It is never boring because we are still &quot;stuck with virtue.&quot; In a life faced with all kinds of technocratic challenges calling for us to give up and adapt to the modern, scientific, technocratic, and (strangely) expert trends, Lawler provides a more compelling defense than Kirk. He argues against the &quot;theorist-consumer&quot; relationship that Percy so aptly named.

Nonetheless, I think that Lawler may become another Kirk in thirty some odd years. New front will have been opened, and new lines of defense will be drawn.

Hence, this doesn&#039;t seem postmodern, but simply conservative as laudable as it may be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a critique of modernity premised on sources outside of modernity, a la conservatism, or is it postmodern?</p>
<p>I get the conservative part&#8211;&#8221;the accumulated wisdom of generations&#8221; that show forth in various communities, but I&#8217;m not sure about the modifier postmodern. Mr. Jones offers Kirk and Lawler as atypical moderns or postmoderns who offer alternative responses to modernity.</p>
<p>Neither (for all their fundamental differences) embraces&#8211;or would embrace&#8211;an alternative to Lyotard, for instance&#8211;with Habermas&#8217;s communicative rationality. So neither seeks a Habermasian &#8220;completion&#8221; of modernity.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, Kirk and Lawler offer crucial differences. Kirk offers useful warnings against &#8220;earthly totality.&#8221; But as such, he leaves nothing but an idea of what one is against. Kirk becomes practically stale as time wears on (even though there is much wisdom in his writings). </p>
<p>Lawler (more positively) speaks of a return to &#8220;realism,&#8221; and he charms the reader with multiple descriptions of life in ordinary suburbia. (Though not as charming as one of my own and Lawler&#8217;s &#8220;heroes&#8221;&#8211;Walker Percy). This is a life that remains uncertain, must still deal with human finitude, and that still offers an opportunity for choice&#8211;even if it is all too ordinary. It still offers choice because as Tocqueville notes&#8211;human desire for knowledge of the good will become manifest regardless of how much modern democracy transmogrifies it. It is never boring because we are still &#8220;stuck with virtue.&#8221; In a life faced with all kinds of technocratic challenges calling for us to give up and adapt to the modern, scientific, technocratic, and (strangely) expert trends, Lawler provides a more compelling defense than Kirk. He argues against the &#8220;theorist-consumer&#8221; relationship that Percy so aptly named.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I think that Lawler may become another Kirk in thirty some odd years. New front will have been opened, and new lines of defense will be drawn.</p>
<p>Hence, this doesn&#8217;t seem postmodern, but simply conservative as laudable as it may be.</p>
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