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	<title>Comments on: Carl&#8217;s Rock Songbook #48:  Critical Notes on the Indie Rock Noise-Pop Boom</title>
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		<title>By: Carl&#8217;s Rock Songbook #52: Rock Recycle-ment Explained &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] by Simon Reynolds in his book Retromania, discussed over the last four posts (Songbook #s 48, 49, 50, and 51), has come about. I confine my discussion to that phenomenon’s occurrence in [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: danbk</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m gonna be oversimplifying , but I always thought the end of &#039;new style&#039; movements was set up by the colorful Sgt Pepper&#039;s moment - when suddenly everything became acceptable to incorporate into the &#039;rock&#039; sound - the more the merrier.  Once this happened, once you had raga-rock, folk-rock, skiffle-rock, MOR-rock, jazz-rock, etc. you basically had no sense of moving to the &quot;next new thing&quot; because all &quot;things&quot; were already here, now,as if in some sort of platonic singularity created by material abundance. It took a while to truly play the logic out fully - probably til the early 80s, but it was there by 1968 or so. Endless subcultures were created, like kraut-rock, lesbian folk, new age, etc. by small labels catering to ever-smaller groups, probably because prosperity made it profitable to go after niche markets. I often wonder if some new stylistic elements that could have taken the mainstream by storm in an earlier era got railroaded into niche-markets where they died..self-satisfied with a modest profit. 

 I think your description of this as expressing the need of American Middle Class people to create an authentic cultural expression is probably correct.  Just as the middle class home was full of materials from around the world, and often with furniture or pictures or literature  that reflected other historical eras, middle-class music reflected this &quot;imperial&quot; universality.  The problem is, once youve conquered the whole globe, and ransacked the past,  where else is there to go?

  So maybe the lack of new styles, and the &quot;post-modern&quot; condition it implies is, like the fatness detailed in recent Peter Lawler posts, a disease of affluence?

I think that Reynolds overstates the novelty of Rap and Rave - Rap in all of its permutations is basically souped-up 70s funk and electronica, in all its mind-bogglingly endless sub-sub-sub-genres is still basically re-iterations of a 70s meme: kraftwerk/Pink Floyd/Giorgio Moroder(euro-disco).  

  As for the new stuff, i haven&#039;t listened to much of it.  I did hear a few Women tracks.. found it unmemorable on first listen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna be oversimplifying , but I always thought the end of &#8216;new style&#8217; movements was set up by the colorful Sgt Pepper&#8217;s moment &#8211; when suddenly everything became acceptable to incorporate into the &#8216;rock&#8217; sound &#8211; the more the merrier.  Once this happened, once you had raga-rock, folk-rock, skiffle-rock, MOR-rock, jazz-rock, etc. you basically had no sense of moving to the &#8220;next new thing&#8221; because all &#8220;things&#8221; were already here, now,as if in some sort of platonic singularity created by material abundance. It took a while to truly play the logic out fully &#8211; probably til the early 80s, but it was there by 1968 or so. Endless subcultures were created, like kraut-rock, lesbian folk, new age, etc. by small labels catering to ever-smaller groups, probably because prosperity made it profitable to go after niche markets. I often wonder if some new stylistic elements that could have taken the mainstream by storm in an earlier era got railroaded into niche-markets where they died..self-satisfied with a modest profit. </p>
<p> I think your description of this as expressing the need of American Middle Class people to create an authentic cultural expression is probably correct.  Just as the middle class home was full of materials from around the world, and often with furniture or pictures or literature  that reflected other historical eras, middle-class music reflected this &#8220;imperial&#8221; universality.  The problem is, once youve conquered the whole globe, and ransacked the past,  where else is there to go?</p>
<p>  So maybe the lack of new styles, and the &#8220;post-modern&#8221; condition it implies is, like the fatness detailed in recent Peter Lawler posts, a disease of affluence?</p>
<p>I think that Reynolds overstates the novelty of Rap and Rave &#8211; Rap in all of its permutations is basically souped-up 70s funk and electronica, in all its mind-bogglingly endless sub-sub-sub-genres is still basically re-iterations of a 70s meme: kraftwerk/Pink Floyd/Giorgio Moroder(euro-disco).  </p>
<p>  As for the new stuff, i haven&#8217;t listened to much of it.  I did hear a few Women tracks.. found it unmemorable on first listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Pop Video Now &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carl&#8217;s Rock Songbook #48: Critical Notes on the Indie Rock Noise-Pop Boom &#8211; First Things (blog)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Carl&#039;s Rock Songbook #48: Critical Notes on the Indie Rock Noise-Pop BoomFirst Things (blog)I like all the “Beach Goth Noise-Pop” music I linked to last time, and have a real fondness for a number of the bands. But now it&#039;s time for some critical observations. The major objections to this music are three: 1. It doesn&#039;t swing, and the blues &#8230; [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Pop Music Video Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carl&#8217;s Rock Songbook #48: Critical Notes on the Indie Rock Noise-Pop Boom &#8211; First Things (blog)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Carl&#039;s Rock Songbook #48: Critical Notes on the Indie Rock Noise-Pop BoomFirst Things (blog)I like all the “Beach Goth Noise-Pop” music I linked to last time, and have a real fondness for a number of the bands. But now it&#039;s time for some critical observations. The major objections to this music are three: 1. It doesn&#039;t swing, and the blues &#8230; [...]]]></description>
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