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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/07/02/the-constitutional-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-20446</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 18:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Each of Pete&#039;s points is right--from the ambiguity on W to the wondering about the intellectual honesty.  If the mandate is unprecedented, then there&#039;s no need to reverse any precedents (obviously).  So I&#039;m still okay w Roberts&#039; opinion as an interpretation of the CC, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each of Pete&#8217;s points is right&#8211;from the ambiguity on W to the wondering about the intellectual honesty.  If the mandate is unprecedented, then there&#8217;s no need to reverse any precedents (obviously).  So I&#8217;m still okay w Roberts&#8217; opinion as an interpretation of the CC, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/07/02/the-constitutional-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-20445</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 18:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Roberts opinion goes out of its way to distinguish the mandate from any and all prior Court decisions.  The Roberts opinion strongly suggests that one can agree with the finding in WICKARD (narrowly construed) and yet still find the mandate unconstitutional.  The Roberts opinion can be read to undermine Wickard, but it can also be read as merely limiting WICKARD&#039;s implications (the Congress can ban you from growing wheat, but can&#039;t mandate that you purchase wheat.)

It is another question as to whether any of the above is even minimally intellectually honest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Roberts opinion goes out of its way to distinguish the mandate from any and all prior Court decisions.  The Roberts opinion strongly suggests that one can agree with the finding in WICKARD (narrowly construed) and yet still find the mandate unconstitutional.  The Roberts opinion can be read to undermine Wickard, but it can also be read as merely limiting WICKARD&#8217;s implications (the Congress can ban you from growing wheat, but can&#8217;t mandate that you purchase wheat.)</p>
<p>It is another question as to whether any of the above is even minimally intellectually honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/07/02/the-constitutional-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-20444</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So quite the learned discussion.  I completely agree w Carl.  I also think it&#039;s unclear whether Roberts accept WICKARD.  But probably not, because it suggests no limits at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So quite the learned discussion.  I completely agree w Carl.  I also think it&#8217;s unclear whether Roberts accept WICKARD.  But probably not, because it suggests no limits at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/07/02/the-constitutional-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-20436</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CJ, I don&#039;t think there was a real shot that this Court, this year, was going to overturn the substantial affects test as such. I think, for whatever it is worth, that the limits Roberts found were:

&quot;The Constitution grants Congress the power to “regulate Commerce.” Art. I, §8, cl. 3(emphasis added). The power to regulate commerce presupposes the existence of commercial activity to be regulated. This Court’s precedent reflects this understanding: As expansive as this Court’s cases construing the scope of the commerce power have been, they uniformly describe the power as reaching “activity.” E.g., United States v. Lopez, 514 U. S. 549, 560. The individual mandate, however, does not regulate existing commercial activity.  It instead compels individuals to become active in commerce by purchasing a product, on the ground that their failure to do so affects interstate commerce.

&quot;Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. Congress already possesses expansive power to regulate what people do. Upholding the Affordable Care Act under the Commerce Clause would give Congress the same license to regulate what people do not do. The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce.” Pp. 16–27.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ, I don&#8217;t think there was a real shot that this Court, this year, was going to overturn the substantial affects test as such. I think, for whatever it is worth, that the limits Roberts found were:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Constitution grants Congress the power to “regulate Commerce.” Art. I, §8, cl. 3(emphasis added). The power to regulate commerce presupposes the existence of commercial activity to be regulated. This Court’s precedent reflects this understanding: As expansive as this Court’s cases construing the scope of the commerce power have been, they uniformly describe the power as reaching “activity.” E.g., United States v. Lopez, 514 U. S. 549, 560. The individual mandate, however, does not regulate existing commercial activity.  It instead compels individuals to become active in commerce by purchasing a product, on the ground that their failure to do so affects interstate commerce.</p>
<p>&#8220;Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. Congress already possesses expansive power to regulate what people do. Upholding the Affordable Care Act under the Commerce Clause would give Congress the same license to regulate what people do not do. The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce.” Pp. 16–27.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/07/02/the-constitutional-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-20431</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just from a scan of CJ Roberts&#039; opinion, I think the key passage on this point is:

&quot;Our precedents read that to mean that Congress may regulate &#039;the channels of interstate com­merce,&#039; &#039;persons or things in interstate commerce,&#039; and &#039;those activities that substantially affect interstate com­merce.&#039; The power over activities that SUBSTANTIALLY AFFECT interstate commerce can be expansive. That power has been held to authorize federal regulation of such seem­ingly local matters as a farmer’s decision to grow wheat for himself and his livestock, and a loan shark’s extor­tionate collections from a neighborhood butcher shop.&quot;

Those first three provisos come from Rhenquist&#039;s opinion in Lopez; after that Roberts explicitly accepts the substantial Affect test and Wickard.

At the end of the opinion, Roberts does say this though:

&quot;The proximity and degree of connection between the mandate and the subsequent commercial activity is too lack­ing to justify an exception of the sort urged by the Gov­ernment.&quot;

Is Roberts using the &#039;ole Sutherland proximate cause test? Personally, I don&#039;t think so... on the whole I think the Substantial affect test is controlling here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just from a scan of CJ Roberts&#8217; opinion, I think the key passage on this point is:</p>
<p>&#8220;Our precedents read that to mean that Congress may regulate &#8216;the channels of interstate com­merce,&#8217; &#8216;persons or things in interstate commerce,&#8217; and &#8216;those activities that substantially affect interstate com­merce.&#8217; The power over activities that SUBSTANTIALLY AFFECT interstate commerce can be expansive. That power has been held to authorize federal regulation of such seem­ingly local matters as a farmer’s decision to grow wheat for himself and his livestock, and a loan shark’s extor­tionate collections from a neighborhood butcher shop.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those first three provisos come from Rhenquist&#8217;s opinion in Lopez; after that Roberts explicitly accepts the substantial Affect test and Wickard.</p>
<p>At the end of the opinion, Roberts does say this though:</p>
<p>&#8220;The proximity and degree of connection between the mandate and the subsequent commercial activity is too lack­ing to justify an exception of the sort urged by the Gov­ernment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is Roberts using the &#8216;ole Sutherland proximate cause test? Personally, I don&#8217;t think so&#8230; on the whole I think the Substantial affect test is controlling here.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Eric Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/07/02/the-constitutional-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-20430</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Eric Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the best chapters in Christopher Wolfe&#039;s book the Rise of Modern Judicial Review is the one that shows you why correct interpetation of the commerce clause is quite difficult.  The indirect v. direct effect distinction is not the only major difficulty either.  Read carefully, that chapter should convince you that originalism cannot restore the old dual federalism.  To get back to that, you&#039;re going to need an amendment.  And many conservatives, such as yours truly, would be unlikely to support such an amendment.  Because the progressives were right that the reality of most of our commerce is national.

But one thing is clear, or should be:  originalism does reject the Wickard precedent, which the liberal 4 would extend to just about everything under the sun were they to get one more justice(and they would likely discared the barely restraining Lopez and Morrison precedents in doing so).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best chapters in Christopher Wolfe&#8217;s book the Rise of Modern Judicial Review is the one that shows you why correct interpetation of the commerce clause is quite difficult.  The indirect v. direct effect distinction is not the only major difficulty either.  Read carefully, that chapter should convince you that originalism cannot restore the old dual federalism.  To get back to that, you&#8217;re going to need an amendment.  And many conservatives, such as yours truly, would be unlikely to support such an amendment.  Because the progressives were right that the reality of most of our commerce is national.</p>
<p>But one thing is clear, or should be:  originalism does reject the Wickard precedent, which the liberal 4 would extend to just about everything under the sun were they to get one more justice(and they would likely discared the barely restraining Lopez and Morrison precedents in doing so).</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/07/02/the-constitutional-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-20423</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record only:  I&#039;m not sure that the DIRECT vs. INDIRECT effect distinction on the COMMERCE CLAUSE isn&#039;t just as a judicial invention.  It certainly isn&#039;t unambiguous originalism.  It doesn&#039;t seem to me to be a distinction Marshall would have come up with.  So I&#039;m good w Roberts&#039; interpretation of the CC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record only:  I&#8217;m not sure that the DIRECT vs. INDIRECT effect distinction on the COMMERCE CLAUSE isn&#8217;t just as a judicial invention.  It certainly isn&#8217;t unambiguous originalism.  It doesn&#8217;t seem to me to be a distinction Marshall would have come up with.  So I&#8217;m good w Roberts&#8217; interpretation of the CC.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/07/02/the-constitutional-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-20422</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;One thing that hasn’t been talked about much in all this is how CJ Roberts’ opinion would actually restrain the commerce clause.&quot;

CJ, presumably a federal mandate to purchase a product from a private vendor would not be enforceable through a criminal or civil penalty according to the Roberts opinion.  Such enforcement of a mandate would be legal according to the Ginsburg concurring opinion.  Also, according to Roberts, there is no mandate because the mandate is unconstitutional and the penalty is a tax because it is small enough that it doesn&#039;t actually enforce compliance.  What a mess.  Though one more liberal Justice and things clean up nicely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One thing that hasn’t been talked about much in all this is how CJ Roberts’ opinion would actually restrain the commerce clause.&#8221;</p>
<p>CJ, presumably a federal mandate to purchase a product from a private vendor would not be enforceable through a criminal or civil penalty according to the Roberts opinion.  Such enforcement of a mandate would be legal according to the Ginsburg concurring opinion.  Also, according to Roberts, there is no mandate because the mandate is unconstitutional and the penalty is a tax because it is small enough that it doesn&#8217;t actually enforce compliance.  What a mess.  Though one more liberal Justice and things clean up nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/07/02/the-constitutional-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-20421</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Woops, I shouldn&#039;t have said &quot;Blaisdell&quot; there, that was a contract clause case. I should have said &quot;U.S. v. Darby&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woops, I shouldn&#8217;t have said &#8220;Blaisdell&#8221; there, that was a contract clause case. I should have said &#8220;U.S. v. Darby&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/07/02/the-constitutional-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-20420</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing that hasn&#039;t been talked about much in all this is how CJ Roberts&#039; opinion would actually restrain the commerce clause. I haven&#039;t read his full opinion yet, but the originalist position is that regulations of interstate commerce had to DIRECTLY EFFECT the commerece regulated, and that concatenations of causal chains like those seen in the modern AGGREGATE EFFECT test or SUBSTANTIAL EFFECT test do not pass muster. Historically the change and &quot;reinterpretation&quot; occured with the Blaisdell case and others during the 1930s period of the court. I guess Roberts was just saying that he wants to take one step closer to the original interpretation on commerce (as in, not allowing mandates of involvement in commerece), but I don&#039;t see him fully rejecting the living constitution for the original interpretation in this case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that hasn&#8217;t been talked about much in all this is how CJ Roberts&#8217; opinion would actually restrain the commerce clause. I haven&#8217;t read his full opinion yet, but the originalist position is that regulations of interstate commerce had to DIRECTLY EFFECT the commerece regulated, and that concatenations of causal chains like those seen in the modern AGGREGATE EFFECT test or SUBSTANTIAL EFFECT test do not pass muster. Historically the change and &#8220;reinterpretation&#8221; occured with the Blaisdell case and others during the 1930s period of the court. I guess Roberts was just saying that he wants to take one step closer to the original interpretation on commerce (as in, not allowing mandates of involvement in commerece), but I don&#8217;t see him fully rejecting the living constitution for the original interpretation in this case.</p>
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