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	<title>Comments on: I Still Don&#8217;t Know About Ryan</title>
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		<title>By: Ben Bell</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/08/14/i-still-dont-know-about-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-21615</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jy</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/08/14/i-still-dont-know-about-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-21595</link>
		<dc:creator>Jy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh man, I never took that class on MSNBC logic...to busy with Aristotelian logic...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, I never took that class on MSNBC logic&#8230;to busy with Aristotelian logic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/08/14/i-still-dont-know-about-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-21567</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone who respects you a great deal, I am disappointed by your statements that Paul Ryan is a &quot;Randian without the atheistic parts&quot; who is &quot;radically hostile to the minimalist welfare state that [voters] would like to conserve to the extent possible.&quot; 

I&#039;ve never heard of a Randian who wanted to stabilize government spending at 19% of GDP for the next 30 years as Ryan&#039;s current plan does. Nor do I think increasing total Medicare spending every year and preserving Medicare completely intact for everyone over 55 constitutes an attack on an already &quot;minimalist&quot; welfare state. 

In every speech, talk, or interview I&#039;ve heard him give, Paul Ryan has not come across as a libertarian crusader out to repeal every social program passed in the last 100 years. Rather, he soberly and consistently makes the case that our entitlement programs are unsustainable in their current form and that we have to trim them back to preserve them for future generations. 

Maybe Ryan&#039;s current plan is indeed &quot;not really what he really wants to do.&quot; Maybe he wants to eliminate the welfare state instead of bringing it back into balance with the rest of society. No politician, President Obama especially (public option, anyone?), gets to do what they really want to or say exactly why they want to do it, though. 

Whatever his true beliefs, Ryan has put together a substantial but achievable reform plan for our nation&#039;s entitlement system and framed it in a way that makes sense to everyone who actually hears him speak. The &quot;image issues&quot; that Ryan faces are not the result of his own actions or words but of his opponents&#039; relentless and often hysterical attempts to smear him as a slash-and-burn anti-government radical. 

The real Paul Ryan is a good man and a good Catholic whom I would trust to help run our country. If the voters reject the Romney ticket because of him (which they very well might, I admit), it will be because the other side successfully slandered him, not because he really is too radical to be vice president.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who respects you a great deal, I am disappointed by your statements that Paul Ryan is a &#8220;Randian without the atheistic parts&#8221; who is &#8220;radically hostile to the minimalist welfare state that [voters] would like to conserve to the extent possible.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of a Randian who wanted to stabilize government spending at 19% of GDP for the next 30 years as Ryan&#8217;s current plan does. Nor do I think increasing total Medicare spending every year and preserving Medicare completely intact for everyone over 55 constitutes an attack on an already &#8220;minimalist&#8221; welfare state. </p>
<p>In every speech, talk, or interview I&#8217;ve heard him give, Paul Ryan has not come across as a libertarian crusader out to repeal every social program passed in the last 100 years. Rather, he soberly and consistently makes the case that our entitlement programs are unsustainable in their current form and that we have to trim them back to preserve them for future generations. </p>
<p>Maybe Ryan&#8217;s current plan is indeed &#8220;not really what he really wants to do.&#8221; Maybe he wants to eliminate the welfare state instead of bringing it back into balance with the rest of society. No politician, President Obama especially (public option, anyone?), gets to do what they really want to or say exactly why they want to do it, though. </p>
<p>Whatever his true beliefs, Ryan has put together a substantial but achievable reform plan for our nation&#8217;s entitlement system and framed it in a way that makes sense to everyone who actually hears him speak. The &#8220;image issues&#8221; that Ryan faces are not the result of his own actions or words but of his opponents&#8217; relentless and often hysterical attempts to smear him as a slash-and-burn anti-government radical. </p>
<p>The real Paul Ryan is a good man and a good Catholic whom I would trust to help run our country. If the voters reject the Romney ticket because of him (which they very well might, I admit), it will be because the other side successfully slandered him, not because he really is too radical to be vice president.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Of course the Ryan plan intends to allow people to opt out of Medicare. That’s what vouchers are all about. Just like with school vouchers, it would allow people to take their Medicare tax payments out of Medicare&quot;

No it wouldn&#039;t.  the Medicare &quot;tax payments&quot; come from younger workers who are paying into the system.  Seniors who choose FFS Medicare get the same premium support as seniors who choose another option that provides the exact same services.  If another option provided the eaxt same services at a lower price, then presumably more seniors would pick the cheaper option for the same service.  In places where Medicare FFS was the best option (and those places would likely exist) seniors would choose that option.  I don&#039;t see how more seniors getting equal or better health care at a lower cost to the government &quot;kills&quot; Medicare if we think of Medicare as a health insurance program.  If we are just interested in giving old people the fewest options at the highest price, then let&#039;s just count on centralized spending cuts to do the job.  

I don&#039;t know what you are worried about.  In another thread you argued that Medicare would likely be the lowest and most efficient bidder. It is possible you are right.  In that case (the worst case scenario), we are exactly where we are if we adopt Obama&#039;s plan.  And like I told you, there is good reason to think we will get better results from competitive bidding than the Obama-like worst case scenario.

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/313243/new-estimate-potential-impact-competitive-bidding-medicare-expenditures-reihan-salam]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course the Ryan plan intends to allow people to opt out of Medicare. That’s what vouchers are all about. Just like with school vouchers, it would allow people to take their Medicare tax payments out of Medicare&#8221;</p>
<p>No it wouldn&#8217;t.  the Medicare &#8220;tax payments&#8221; come from younger workers who are paying into the system.  Seniors who choose FFS Medicare get the same premium support as seniors who choose another option that provides the exact same services.  If another option provided the eaxt same services at a lower price, then presumably more seniors would pick the cheaper option for the same service.  In places where Medicare FFS was the best option (and those places would likely exist) seniors would choose that option.  I don&#8217;t see how more seniors getting equal or better health care at a lower cost to the government &#8220;kills&#8221; Medicare if we think of Medicare as a health insurance program.  If we are just interested in giving old people the fewest options at the highest price, then let&#8217;s just count on centralized spending cuts to do the job.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what you are worried about.  In another thread you argued that Medicare would likely be the lowest and most efficient bidder. It is possible you are right.  In that case (the worst case scenario), we are exactly where we are if we adopt Obama&#8217;s plan.  And like I told you, there is good reason to think we will get better results from competitive bidding than the Obama-like worst case scenario.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/313243/new-estimate-potential-impact-competitive-bidding-medicare-expenditures-reihan-salam" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/313243/new-estimate-potential-impact-competitive-bidding-medicare-expenditures-reihan-salam</a></p>
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		<title>By: Making The Most Of Ryan &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/08/14/i-still-dont-know-about-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-21561</link>
		<dc:creator>Making The Most Of Ryan &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Lawler has some very useful thoughts below on the pros and cons of picking Ryan.  Picking Ryan meant that Obama&#8217;s Mediscare campaign (which was coming anyway since Romney [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lawler has some very useful thoughts below on the pros and cons of picking Ryan.  Picking Ryan meant that Obama&#8217;s Mediscare campaign (which was coming anyway since Romney [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Eason</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/08/14/i-still-dont-know-about-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-21559</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Eason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course the Ryan plan intends to allow people to opt out of Medicare. That&#039;s what vouchers are all about. Just like with school vouchers, it would allow people to take their Medicare tax payments out of Medicare and use it to pay for private plans. The lack of payments going into Medicare would quickly kill the program. Paul Ryan used to proudly talk of this, but has backed off of these kinds of comments after putting out his latest, same plan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the Ryan plan intends to allow people to opt out of Medicare. That&#8217;s what vouchers are all about. Just like with school vouchers, it would allow people to take their Medicare tax payments out of Medicare and use it to pay for private plans. The lack of payments going into Medicare would quickly kill the program. Paul Ryan used to proudly talk of this, but has backed off of these kinds of comments after putting out his latest, same plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jy, you&#039;re not using MSNBC logic.  If Romney can kill the wife of a steelworker who had health insurance for years after he was laid off, then Romney can allow young people to keep the atmosphere as they go (along with an infinite supply of food and videogames) even as Paul Ryan personally jams each old person into a wheelchair (yes, even the ambulatory old people) and personally rolls them into the exploding sun, one at a time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jy, you&#8217;re not using MSNBC logic.  If Romney can kill the wife of a steelworker who had health insurance for years after he was laid off, then Romney can allow young people to keep the atmosphere as they go (along with an infinite supply of food and videogames) even as Paul Ryan personally jams each old person into a wheelchair (yes, even the ambulatory old people) and personally rolls them into the exploding sun, one at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrsschiavolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrsschiavolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really? Are those of us who live as self-employed entrepreneurs vastly different than regular working stiffs? We&#039;re squarely middle class, but have no devotion to the safety net. All we feel is the crushing weight of self-employment taxes that we carry alone...and think, for that amount of money we could send several poor children to private schools of their choice. Ryan resonates with us because economic liberty is our daily bread.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? Are those of us who live as self-employed entrepreneurs vastly different than regular working stiffs? We&#8217;re squarely middle class, but have no devotion to the safety net. All we feel is the crushing weight of self-employment taxes that we carry alone&#8230;and think, for that amount of money we could send several poor children to private schools of their choice. Ryan resonates with us because economic liberty is our daily bread.</p>
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		<title>By: Jy</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/08/14/i-still-dont-know-about-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-21549</link>
		<dc:creator>Jy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a physicist, I can assure you that even if all the young people opt out of gravity, the worst that would happen is that they would all die from being exposed to extra-atmospheric conditions...seniors would be left alone...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a physicist, I can assure you that even if all the young people opt out of gravity, the worst that would happen is that they would all die from being exposed to extra-atmospheric conditions&#8230;seniors would be left alone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;First, they should remind seniors, the fastest growing and most reliable voting group, that were the Ryan plan followed, allowing the young to opt out will quickly bring about the collapse of Medicare.&quot;  This makes no sense.  The &quot;young&quot; aren&#039;t on Medicare, so they can&#039;t &quot;opt&quot; out of it.  There is also no provision for the young to &quot;opt&quot; out of the Medicare payroll tax.  You might as well say the Ryan plan allows the young to &quot;opt&quot; out of gravity causing a supernova that somehow only burns the old.  

Medicare spending under the most recent Ryan budget grows at precisely the same rate as under President Obama&#039;s.  Under the plan,  older, sicker seniors would receive higher premium support and plans that disproportionately enrolled healthier Medicare recipients would pay a fee, while those that enrolled more high risk recipients would receive an incentive payment.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/294039/itimesi-and-ryan-budget-yuval-levin


Go with the anti-gravity supernova idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First, they should remind seniors, the fastest growing and most reliable voting group, that were the Ryan plan followed, allowing the young to opt out will quickly bring about the collapse of Medicare.&#8221;  This makes no sense.  The &#8220;young&#8221; aren&#8217;t on Medicare, so they can&#8217;t &#8220;opt&#8221; out of it.  There is also no provision for the young to &#8220;opt&#8221; out of the Medicare payroll tax.  You might as well say the Ryan plan allows the young to &#8220;opt&#8221; out of gravity causing a supernova that somehow only burns the old.  </p>
<p>Medicare spending under the most recent Ryan budget grows at precisely the same rate as under President Obama&#8217;s.  Under the plan,  older, sicker seniors would receive higher premium support and plans that disproportionately enrolled healthier Medicare recipients would pay a fee, while those that enrolled more high risk recipients would receive an incentive payment.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/294039/itimesi-and-ryan-budget-yuval-levin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/294039/itimesi-and-ryan-budget-yuval-levin</a></p>
<p>Go with the anti-gravity supernova idea.</p>
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