<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Notes On The Media, Context, And Collateral Damage</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/10/01/notes-on-the-media-context-and-collateral-damage/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/10/01/notes-on-the-media-context-and-collateral-damage/</link>
	<description>A First Things Blog</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:28:31 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/10/01/notes-on-the-media-context-and-collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-28288</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 00:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/?p=8909#comment-28288</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Joseph, so let&#039;s work through this.  You believe that if a white woman pretends she is Native American (it might have been an honest mistake at one point in her life), mocking her for her lie will cause nonwhites to vote against the party of her opponent because she is &quot;family&quot; even though the vast majority of voters outside of Massachusetts have never heard of her and have no connection to her. And pointing out her lie disparages the ethnicity she doesn&#039;t have and alienates nonwhites and causes them to vote for white women they would otherwise not have voted for.  But pointing out a similar lie in a Republican would not be an ethnic slur because they are no family of Americans.  Gotcha.  I can see why you are in a hurry to avoid any “rational political or moral philosophy” in connection to your curious idea of the consequences of criticizing Elizabeth Warren.  Probably better that way.    

You are free to have your own opinions on what causes nonwhites in Ohio to vote for Democrats, but I doubt we will ever find evidence that mocking Warren for her dissembling will ever show up as evidence for the voting of otherwise persuadable nonwhites.  My totally nonscientific sense of talking to several nonwhites about this is that it is viewed as a &quot;fair&quot; shot but not one that is especially important in how a candidate should be evaluated.  Brown has gotten all the juice he is going to out of that issue.  

But then again I don&#039;t think it is &quot;tone deaf&quot; to criticize Democrats for things that Republicans would naturally be criticized for and am generally not of the opinion that Republicans should crawl away and die lest strongly Democrat-leaning commenters declare that anything and everything (other than a conversion to whatever the Democratic platform happens to be that year) will repel the electorate.  Republicans will just have to go on respirating without your good opinion or your granting them the &quot;family&quot; rhetorical discount you are so enthusiastic to give the other party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, so let&#8217;s work through this.  You believe that if a white woman pretends she is Native American (it might have been an honest mistake at one point in her life), mocking her for her lie will cause nonwhites to vote against the party of her opponent because she is &#8220;family&#8221; even though the vast majority of voters outside of Massachusetts have never heard of her and have no connection to her. And pointing out her lie disparages the ethnicity she doesn&#8217;t have and alienates nonwhites and causes them to vote for white women they would otherwise not have voted for.  But pointing out a similar lie in a Republican would not be an ethnic slur because they are no family of Americans.  Gotcha.  I can see why you are in a hurry to avoid any “rational political or moral philosophy” in connection to your curious idea of the consequences of criticizing Elizabeth Warren.  Probably better that way.    </p>
<p>You are free to have your own opinions on what causes nonwhites in Ohio to vote for Democrats, but I doubt we will ever find evidence that mocking Warren for her dissembling will ever show up as evidence for the voting of otherwise persuadable nonwhites.  My totally nonscientific sense of talking to several nonwhites about this is that it is viewed as a &#8220;fair&#8221; shot but not one that is especially important in how a candidate should be evaluated.  Brown has gotten all the juice he is going to out of that issue.  </p>
<p>But then again I don&#8217;t think it is &#8220;tone deaf&#8221; to criticize Democrats for things that Republicans would naturally be criticized for and am generally not of the opinion that Republicans should crawl away and die lest strongly Democrat-leaning commenters declare that anything and everything (other than a conversion to whatever the Democratic platform happens to be that year) will repel the electorate.  Republicans will just have to go on respirating without your good opinion or your granting them the &#8220;family&#8221; rhetorical discount you are so enthusiastic to give the other party.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Joseph Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/10/01/notes-on-the-media-context-and-collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-28285</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/?p=8909#comment-28285</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Over the years I&#039;ve had the pleasure of working with, and for African-Americans, and particularly African-American women, in jobs where they predominate, are frequently supervisors, and they are far more relaxed about what they say to each other.  

So you will hear, &quot;It&#039;s OK, so and so is &#039;family&#039;.&quot;  It&#039;s quite a complement when they say it about you.  That judgment about who is or isn&#039;t &quot;family&quot; is very important to them and is being made constantly about everyone, whether you hear about it or not.  

If you are in the habit of making disparaging remarks about someone&#039;s ethnic background, for any reason, you&#039;re not family, and everybody knows it.  I know less about Latinos but they have similar social niceties among them.  So do Jews.  If they are around you they pay very close attention to how you treat others, under the not unrealistic assumption that you might treat them in the same way.

If someone is &quot;not family&quot; it will be collectively remembered a long time, and that someone is very unlikely to win anybody&#039;s vote to whom it matters.  Such things matter far more to the member of any separated &quot;minority&quot; group of any size, than any &quot;rational political or moral philosophy&quot; used to justify what you say about people.

As a rule, conservatives are exceptionally tone deaf to such social emotions in others.  And there are very few Republicans who are family, for pretty good reasons. 

For the last fifty years, that hasn&#039;t really mattered, since &quot;minorities&quot; have been very definitely in the voting minority.

But that&#039;s changing.  Pretty soon there will be no &quot;majority&quot; of anyone.  And if you are tone deaf to the fact that it might be much more important to somebody that you are family than whatever political philosophy you have, you will routinely lose elections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the years I&#8217;ve had the pleasure of working with, and for African-Americans, and particularly African-American women, in jobs where they predominate, are frequently supervisors, and they are far more relaxed about what they say to each other.  </p>
<p>So you will hear, &#8220;It&#8217;s OK, so and so is &#8216;family&#8217;.&#8221;  It&#8217;s quite a complement when they say it about you.  That judgment about who is or isn&#8217;t &#8220;family&#8221; is very important to them and is being made constantly about everyone, whether you hear about it or not.  </p>
<p>If you are in the habit of making disparaging remarks about someone&#8217;s ethnic background, for any reason, you&#8217;re not family, and everybody knows it.  I know less about Latinos but they have similar social niceties among them.  So do Jews.  If they are around you they pay very close attention to how you treat others, under the not unrealistic assumption that you might treat them in the same way.</p>
<p>If someone is &#8220;not family&#8221; it will be collectively remembered a long time, and that someone is very unlikely to win anybody&#8217;s vote to whom it matters.  Such things matter far more to the member of any separated &#8220;minority&#8221; group of any size, than any &#8220;rational political or moral philosophy&#8221; used to justify what you say about people.</p>
<p>As a rule, conservatives are exceptionally tone deaf to such social emotions in others.  And there are very few Republicans who are family, for pretty good reasons. </p>
<p>For the last fifty years, that hasn&#8217;t really mattered, since &#8220;minorities&#8221; have been very definitely in the voting minority.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s changing.  Pretty soon there will be no &#8220;majority&#8221; of anyone.  And if you are tone deaf to the fact that it might be much more important to somebody that you are family than whatever political philosophy you have, you will routinely lose elections.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/10/01/notes-on-the-media-context-and-collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-28279</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 21:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/?p=8909#comment-28279</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Joseph, so let me get this straight.  You think mocking a white woman for pretending to be Native American will cause otherwise persuadable nonwhites to vote Democrat.  That&#039;s one I&#039;ve never heard even from a Warren supporter.  There are all kinds of reasons why persuadable nonwhite (and white) voters vote Democratic.  Losses from mocking Warren will account for approximately zero, give or take nobody.  

Or to give an example: imagine Romney announces at the debate tomorrow that he is African American.  Will the resulting predictable (and deserved) mockery result in Romney getting a lot more nonwhite voters than he otherwise would have gotten?  I didn&#039;t think so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, so let me get this straight.  You think mocking a white woman for pretending to be Native American will cause otherwise persuadable nonwhites to vote Democrat.  That&#8217;s one I&#8217;ve never heard even from a Warren supporter.  There are all kinds of reasons why persuadable nonwhite (and white) voters vote Democratic.  Losses from mocking Warren will account for approximately zero, give or take nobody.  </p>
<p>Or to give an example: imagine Romney announces at the debate tomorrow that he is African American.  Will the resulting predictable (and deserved) mockery result in Romney getting a lot more nonwhite voters than he otherwise would have gotten?  I didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Joseph Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/10/01/notes-on-the-media-context-and-collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-28248</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 10:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/?p=8909#comment-28248</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;America’s favorite phony Native American&quot;

When this is over, I suggest that everyone here look very carefully at the voting patterns as reflected in the polls for non-male and non-white voters.  Every gibe of this kind will have contributed to it.  So will all the foolishness of trying to restrict voting hours and hiding behind a self righteous facade of &quot;voter fraud.&quot;  And if you want an analysis of it that you can respect, see what Karl Rove has to say about it.  As he himself has pointed out, he pays attention to the math.

Ohio&#039;s early voting is about to start and there are African-Americans camped out overnight in front of the Columbus early voter center in order to not only vote, but to pointedly assert their right to do it at all.  Now I know that in 2010 the results were due, at least in part, due to the &quot;passion&quot; of people opposed to Obamacare.  But if anyone sat outside the polls overnight from an excess of passion, I don&#039;t remember it.

And when you start thinking about 2016, 2020, and 2024, look very carefully at the changing population demographics of Texas and Arizona.  You will see the future in them.  You can think, particularly, about Texas and the number of electoral votes Texas holds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;America’s favorite phony Native American&#8221;</p>
<p>When this is over, I suggest that everyone here look very carefully at the voting patterns as reflected in the polls for non-male and non-white voters.  Every gibe of this kind will have contributed to it.  So will all the foolishness of trying to restrict voting hours and hiding behind a self righteous facade of &#8220;voter fraud.&#8221;  And if you want an analysis of it that you can respect, see what Karl Rove has to say about it.  As he himself has pointed out, he pays attention to the math.</p>
<p>Ohio&#8217;s early voting is about to start and there are African-Americans camped out overnight in front of the Columbus early voter center in order to not only vote, but to pointedly assert their right to do it at all.  Now I know that in 2010 the results were due, at least in part, due to the &#8220;passion&#8221; of people opposed to Obamacare.  But if anyone sat outside the polls overnight from an excess of passion, I don&#8217;t remember it.</p>
<p>And when you start thinking about 2016, 2020, and 2024, look very carefully at the changing population demographics of Texas and Arizona.  You will see the future in them.  You can think, particularly, about Texas and the number of electoral votes Texas holds.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
