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Sunday, October 21, 2012, 7:59 AM

Last month’s issue of First Things had an exchange between Patrick Deneen and Daniel Mahoney.  Deneen repeated many of the arguments he has made in other articles and posts e.g. Lockeanism =’s Progressivism.  On the other hand, he did seem to pivot to the center on one particular point.  In a post at this site, Deneen doubted that Modern values like “excessive materialism, individualism, liberalism, atheism” could be separated from goods we associate with Modernity.  In the end he suspected it was a “package deal” which is why he thinks compromise with it is impossible.  Check out his posts on the pro-life movement and religious liberty for examples of this argument.  In the recent First Things piece, however, he seems open to viewing modern project as divisible:

“A different trajectory does not require a change in institutions; it requires a change in how we understand the human person in relationship to other persons, to nature, and the source of creation.”

What comes under attack in Deneen’s piece is the underlying philosophy, Liberalism, not institutions usually linked to it:

“The strictly political arrangements of modern constitutionalism do not per se constitute a liberal regime.  Rather, liberalism is constituted by a pair of deeper anthropological assumptions that give liberal institutions a particular orientation and cast: 1) anthropological individualism and the voluntarist conception of choice, and 2) human separation from and opposition to nature.”

Mahoney recognizes this point of agreement too when he says, “But even he grudgingly acknowledges that liberalism is often better in practice than in theory.”  Mahoney is here echoing John Courtney Murray’s line (often cited by Peter) that the Founders ‘built better than they knew.’  What Mahoney says we need today is to replace the philosophy supporting the institutions put in place by the Founders:

“Liberalism is not exhausted by Hobbes materialism and anthropological individualism.  This is John Courtney Murray’s project in We Hold These Truths, a project that in my view has not yet exhausted its promise.”

In this case, is there still a fundamental disagreement between Dr. Pat Deneen and the Pomo Cons?

3 Comments

    Peter Lawler
    October 21st, 2012 | 10:14 am

    SO Jason, It might be good for you to send FTs a brief article or long letter along this lines. Meanwhile, my new approach is to understand Lockeanism is kind of a Christian heresy–being personal without being relational–which has its good and bad points. Pat’s position isn’t consistent, for one reason, because it’s “radicality”–and its waffling–isn’t in light of real alternative.

    Carl Eric Scott
    October 22nd, 2012 | 8:07 am

    Jason, dense me, I don’t see the pivot. And without going back to check the FT exchange, I can’t tell from this when it’s Mahoney you’re quoting, or when it’s Deneen.

    sara
    October 22nd, 2012 | 11:23 am

    Several points:

    1) If one is inclined to appreciate some of the goods associated with “modernity,” it’s unlikely that all of the theoretical aspects of modernity are misguided.

    2) Against Undifferentiated Modernity: Patrick is attached to Strauss’ “juggernaut” view of modernity, which distinguishes among different “waves” of what is ultimately a single tendency that can be described as the “modern project,” the aim of which is the mastery and conquest of nature. Strauss’ presentation is clearly rhetorical on many levels, but that’s a different post. In any event, while there’s something to the notion that many of the early, middle, and late-modern thinkers have much in common, investigating their differences seems worthwhile (assuming you think there’s something good about modern politics).

    3) If one thinks that modernity is fundamentally atheistic and/or discounts the influence of Christianity on “the moderns’” anthropology and philosophy, it’s going to be more difficult to redeem some parts of modern thought. Again, however, I think the story is more complex than this.


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