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		<title>By: sara</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/10/21/did-dr-pat-pivot/comment-page-1/#comment-28935</link>
		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several points: 

1) If one is inclined to appreciate some of the goods associated with &quot;modernity,&quot; it&#039;s unlikely that all of the theoretical aspects of modernity are misguided.

2) Against Undifferentiated Modernity: Patrick is attached to Strauss&#039; &quot;juggernaut&quot; view of modernity, which distinguishes among different &quot;waves&quot; of what is ultimately a single tendency that can be described as the &quot;modern project,&quot; the aim of which is the mastery and conquest of nature. Strauss&#039; presentation is clearly rhetorical on many levels, but that&#039;s a different post. In any event, while there&#039;s something to the notion that many of the early, middle, and late-modern thinkers have much in common, investigating their differences seems worthwhile (assuming you think there&#039;s something good about modern politics). 

3)  If one thinks that modernity is fundamentally atheistic and/or discounts the influence of Christianity on &quot;the moderns&#039;&quot; anthropology and philosophy, it&#039;s going to be more difficult to redeem some parts of modern thought. Again, however, I think the story is more complex than this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several points: </p>
<p>1) If one is inclined to appreciate some of the goods associated with &#8220;modernity,&#8221; it&#8217;s unlikely that all of the theoretical aspects of modernity are misguided.</p>
<p>2) Against Undifferentiated Modernity: Patrick is attached to Strauss&#8217; &#8220;juggernaut&#8221; view of modernity, which distinguishes among different &#8220;waves&#8221; of what is ultimately a single tendency that can be described as the &#8220;modern project,&#8221; the aim of which is the mastery and conquest of nature. Strauss&#8217; presentation is clearly rhetorical on many levels, but that&#8217;s a different post. In any event, while there&#8217;s something to the notion that many of the early, middle, and late-modern thinkers have much in common, investigating their differences seems worthwhile (assuming you think there&#8217;s something good about modern politics). </p>
<p>3)  If one thinks that modernity is fundamentally atheistic and/or discounts the influence of Christianity on &#8220;the moderns&#8217;&#8221; anthropology and philosophy, it&#8217;s going to be more difficult to redeem some parts of modern thought. Again, however, I think the story is more complex than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Eric Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Eric Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jason, dense me, I don&#039;t see the pivot.  And without going back to check the FT exchange, I can&#039;t tell from this when it&#039;s Mahoney you&#039;re quoting, or when it&#039;s Deneen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, dense me, I don&#8217;t see the pivot.  And without going back to check the FT exchange, I can&#8217;t tell from this when it&#8217;s Mahoney you&#8217;re quoting, or when it&#8217;s Deneen.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SO Jason, It might be good for you to send FTs a brief article or long letter along this lines.  Meanwhile, my new approach is to understand Lockeanism is kind of a Christian heresy--being personal without being relational--which has its good and bad points. Pat&#039;s position isn&#039;t consistent, for one reason, because it&#039;s &quot;radicality&quot;--and its waffling--isn&#039;t in light of real alternative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO Jason, It might be good for you to send FTs a brief article or long letter along this lines.  Meanwhile, my new approach is to understand Lockeanism is kind of a Christian heresy&#8211;being personal without being relational&#8211;which has its good and bad points. Pat&#8217;s position isn&#8217;t consistent, for one reason, because it&#8217;s &#8220;radicality&#8221;&#8211;and its waffling&#8211;isn&#8217;t in light of real alternative.</p>
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