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		<title>By: John Presnall</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/10/24/augustine-on-the-big-screen-restless-heart/comment-page-1/#comment-29059</link>
		<dc:creator>John Presnall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I will get Pascal and St. Francis on Netflix. From what I gather from googling, Augustine of Hippo is not available, but some interesting things are said about it here.

http://books.google.com/books?id=YbB9zKvpS88C&amp;pg=PA311&amp;lpg=PA311&amp;dq=saint+augustine+roberto+rossellini&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=5T-ec9uejX&amp;sig=QpSqVUkle3a43T5A8konFirVxxg&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=FhCKUM6mOqai2gWVlYHYBw&amp;ved=0CEAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&amp;q=saint%20augustine%20roberto%20rossellini&amp;f=false]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I will get Pascal and St. Francis on Netflix. From what I gather from googling, Augustine of Hippo is not available, but some interesting things are said about it here.</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=YbB9zKvpS88C&#038;pg=PA311&#038;lpg=PA311&#038;dq=saint+augustine+roberto+rossellini&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=5T-ec9uejX&#038;sig=QpSqVUkle3a43T5A8konFirVxxg&#038;hl=en&#038;sa=X&#038;ei=FhCKUM6mOqai2gWVlYHYBw&#038;ved=0CEAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&#038;q=saint%20augustine%20roberto%20rossellini&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=YbB9zKvpS88C&#038;pg=PA311&#038;lpg=PA311&#038;dq=saint+augustine+roberto+rossellini&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=5T-ec9uejX&#038;sig=QpSqVUkle3a43T5A8konFirVxxg&#038;hl=en&#038;sa=X&#038;ei=FhCKUM6mOqai2gWVlYHYBw&#038;ved=0CEAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&#038;q=saint%20augustine%20roberto%20rossellini&#038;f=false</a></p>
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		<title>By: CJ Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 03:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roberto Rossellini&#039;s movie &quot;Flowers of St. Francis&quot; is magnificent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberto Rossellini&#8217;s movie &#8220;Flowers of St. Francis&#8221; is magnificent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrsschiavolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrsschiavolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed Pascal. But...we have a goal to watch all of Rossellini&#039;s films. I didn&#039;t know about Augustine! We&#039;ll definitely be watching that. Netflix has a large number of Rossellini films.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed Pascal. But&#8230;we have a goal to watch all of Rossellini&#8217;s films. I didn&#8217;t know about Augustine! We&#8217;ll definitely be watching that. Netflix has a large number of Rossellini films.</p>
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		<title>By: John Presnall</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Presnall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has anybody ever seen Roberto Rossellini&#039;s TV movie about Augustine? Or for that matter his movies on Descartes, Pascal, etc.?

If so, any comments? Criterion Collection has released some of them, but I&#039;m hesitant to indulge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody ever seen Roberto Rossellini&#8217;s TV movie about Augustine? Or for that matter his movies on Descartes, Pascal, etc.?</p>
<p>If so, any comments? Criterion Collection has released some of them, but I&#8217;m hesitant to indulge.</p>
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		<title>By: paul seaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul seaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, CJ.   I&#039;ll check out the link.   What I had in mind was focused on something else in the adolescent Augustine&#039;s understanding of what conversion is and entails.  He thought he had to sever all ties or links with the saeculum; in Book VIII sexual attachment was the last link he had to break (others had been love of honor, fame, and $).   Among other consequences, chastity within marriage therefore becomes necessarily 2nd-class, an incomplete conversion.  One can question that.  Gotta go ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, CJ.   I&#8217;ll check out the link.   What I had in mind was focused on something else in the adolescent Augustine&#8217;s understanding of what conversion is and entails.  He thought he had to sever all ties or links with the saeculum; in Book VIII sexual attachment was the last link he had to break (others had been love of honor, fame, and $).   Among other consequences, chastity within marriage therefore becomes necessarily 2nd-class, an incomplete conversion.  One can question that.  Gotta go &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the kudos Paul, and for pointing out the relevant passages in the Confessions. I wanted to share a link about one thing that you mentioned: 
&quot;This rather definite (and questionable) understanding set [Augustine&#039;s] intellectual-and-existential agenda.&quot;

I agree that it is questionable whether the head and heart can separately be converted, because I&#039;m not sure how separate they really are. But as you say, on the matter of interpretation it&#039;s certainly the way Augustine tells us it happened in his writings. The link I wanted to share is to a blog by Edward Feser, who is great on philosophy of mind. He converted to Catholicism a few years ago, and argues in this post that his conversion and conversion to Christianity in general is always intellectual in some respect: 
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/07/road-from-atheism.html#more]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kudos Paul, and for pointing out the relevant passages in the Confessions. I wanted to share a link about one thing that you mentioned:<br />
&#8220;This rather definite (and questionable) understanding set [Augustine's] intellectual-and-existential agenda.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that it is questionable whether the head and heart can separately be converted, because I&#8217;m not sure how separate they really are. But as you say, on the matter of interpretation it&#8217;s certainly the way Augustine tells us it happened in his writings. The link I wanted to share is to a blog by Edward Feser, who is great on philosophy of mind. He converted to Catholicism a few years ago, and argues in this post that his conversion and conversion to Christianity in general is always intellectual in some respect:<br />
<a href="http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/07/road-from-atheism.html#more" rel="nofollow">http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/07/road-from-atheism.html#more</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pseudoplotinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudoplotinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firstly Carl, that so called Plotinus is a complete hack! Everyone knows who the true Pseudoplotinus is. 

More seriously, a book I have found to be particularly luminous on Augustine is Brian Stock&#039;s &quot;Augustine the Reader&quot;:

http://www.amazon.com/Augustine-Reader-Meditation-Self-Knowledge-Interpretation/dp/0674052773/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1351183679&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=Augustine+the+reader

It&#039;s a very high end literary critical treatment of Augustine&#039;s approach to religious formation through reading and interpretation.

Thanks to Paul Seaton for his thoughtful post above. I was trying to think of any movie that has been done in the past that had successfully conveyed the sort of inner process that Augustine&#039;s story in confessions records. 

For the life of me I can only think of one, and it only barely resembles Confessions. It&#039;s about Dostoyevsky called the Gambler. Very worth seeing. It uses the story around his writing of the short story The Gambler to unveil the layers of complexity to the writer himself. Michael Gambon plays the Russian writer:

http://www.amazon.com/Gambler-Michael-Gambon/dp/B00005Y6Y4/ref=sr_1_11?s=movies-tv&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1351184021&amp;sr=1-11&amp;keywords=The+Gambler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly Carl, that so called Plotinus is a complete hack! Everyone knows who the true Pseudoplotinus is. </p>
<p>More seriously, a book I have found to be particularly luminous on Augustine is Brian Stock&#8217;s &#8220;Augustine the Reader&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Augustine-Reader-Meditation-Self-Knowledge-Interpretation/dp/0674052773/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1351183679&#038;sr=8-1&#038;keywords=Augustine+the+reader" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Augustine-Reader-Meditation-Self-Knowledge-Interpretation/dp/0674052773/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1351183679&#038;sr=8-1&#038;keywords=Augustine+the+reader</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very high end literary critical treatment of Augustine&#8217;s approach to religious formation through reading and interpretation.</p>
<p>Thanks to Paul Seaton for his thoughtful post above. I was trying to think of any movie that has been done in the past that had successfully conveyed the sort of inner process that Augustine&#8217;s story in confessions records. </p>
<p>For the life of me I can only think of one, and it only barely resembles Confessions. It&#8217;s about Dostoyevsky called the Gambler. Very worth seeing. It uses the story around his writing of the short story The Gambler to unveil the layers of complexity to the writer himself. Michael Gambon plays the Russian writer:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Gambler-Michael-Gambon/dp/B00005Y6Y4/ref=sr_1_11?s=movies-tv&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1351184021&#038;sr=1-11&#038;keywords=The+Gambler" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Gambler-Michael-Gambon/dp/B00005Y6Y4/ref=sr_1_11?s=movies-tv&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1351184021&#038;sr=1-11&#038;keywords=The+Gambler</a></p>
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		<title>By: paul seaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul seaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great use of &quot;toll et lege&quot; Carl.   

CJ, you&#039;re absolutely spot-on with the two-part, two-stage conversion:  first of the mind, then the heart.  It&#039;s astounding how often people, including scholars (e.g., Chad Pecknold) miss it; their analyses are thus truncated and misleading.   To add to the point:  to really understand Book VIII, I would suggest that one go back to Confessions III, 4 (or is it 5?) to understand 19-year old Augustine&#039;s own initial understanding of what &quot;conversion&quot; entailed for him.  This rather definite (and questionable) understanding set his intellectual-and-existential agenda.  

While it&#039;s true that one should not just use the Confessions to understand and tell Augustine&#039;s &quot;life&quot;, it provides essential architecture and event, I would argue.   By &quot;architecture,&quot; I mean that his notion of what he&#039;s doing -- which we blithely call &quot;autobiography&quot; --  is rather theo-centric, i.e., his story is really God&#039;s story, with, I would argue, Monica the second most important agent in his life&#039;s story.)   

A bit more humanly speaking, perhaps the most essential characteristic of the way Augustine tells his life-story in the Confessions is its tunc-et-nunc structure, that is, how he was then (tunc), as he now (now) can discern its truth, because he&#039;s come to the light of Christ.   It would take a good scriptwriter to reproduce this, or come up with some approximation; if it&#039;s not reproduced, however, then one only has the then-version of the story, without the deeper retrospect.  And that story is too unilinear, or at least it misses what is characteristic about Augustine&#039;s theological perspective (theocentric and retrospective-in-the light of Christ).

Thanks for the post, Carl.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great use of &#8220;toll et lege&#8221; Carl.   </p>
<p>CJ, you&#8217;re absolutely spot-on with the two-part, two-stage conversion:  first of the mind, then the heart.  It&#8217;s astounding how often people, including scholars (e.g., Chad Pecknold) miss it; their analyses are thus truncated and misleading.   To add to the point:  to really understand Book VIII, I would suggest that one go back to Confessions III, 4 (or is it 5?) to understand 19-year old Augustine&#8217;s own initial understanding of what &#8220;conversion&#8221; entailed for him.  This rather definite (and questionable) understanding set his intellectual-and-existential agenda.  </p>
<p>While it&#8217;s true that one should not just use the Confessions to understand and tell Augustine&#8217;s &#8220;life&#8221;, it provides essential architecture and event, I would argue.   By &#8220;architecture,&#8221; I mean that his notion of what he&#8217;s doing &#8212; which we blithely call &#8220;autobiography&#8221; &#8212;  is rather theo-centric, i.e., his story is really God&#8217;s story, with, I would argue, Monica the second most important agent in his life&#8217;s story.)   </p>
<p>A bit more humanly speaking, perhaps the most essential characteristic of the way Augustine tells his life-story in the Confessions is its tunc-et-nunc structure, that is, how he was then (tunc), as he now (now) can discern its truth, because he&#8217;s come to the light of Christ.   It would take a good scriptwriter to reproduce this, or come up with some approximation; if it&#8217;s not reproduced, however, then one only has the then-version of the story, without the deeper retrospect.  And that story is too unilinear, or at least it misses what is characteristic about Augustine&#8217;s theological perspective (theocentric and retrospective-in-the light of Christ).</p>
<p>Thanks for the post, Carl.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for writing this Carl; from your description of the movie, I think I would make the same criticisms. 

To sympathize with the scriptwriter for a moment, I agree with Pseudo that it would be very difficult to do do a good film version of Augustine&#039;s life, much more the &quot;Confessions.&quot; I had difficulty following the basic storyline of the book when I first read it, because there are so many philosophical reflections and moments of prayer and introspection. To work as a movie I think it almost would have to be written from Augustine&#039;s first person perspective as narrator.

A good place to start if the screenwriter had wanted to sort all the threads of Augustine&#039;s life out would be Vernon Bourke&#039;s &quot;Augustine&#039;s Quest of Wisdom.&quot; It&#039;s one of my favorite books. Bourke tells the story of Augustine&#039;s life not solely based on evidence from &quot;Confessions,&quot; but from all of the texts where clues about his life are given; especially important in that regard are the &quot;Retractiones.&quot; And Bourke really nails what you described about Augustine, Carl- his conversion of the head followed by his conversion of the heart in the garden. 

BTW- Did they make a big deal out of Monica&#039;s death at Ostia? It was a big deal to Augustine]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this Carl; from your description of the movie, I think I would make the same criticisms. </p>
<p>To sympathize with the scriptwriter for a moment, I agree with Pseudo that it would be very difficult to do do a good film version of Augustine&#8217;s life, much more the &#8220;Confessions.&#8221; I had difficulty following the basic storyline of the book when I first read it, because there are so many philosophical reflections and moments of prayer and introspection. To work as a movie I think it almost would have to be written from Augustine&#8217;s first person perspective as narrator.</p>
<p>A good place to start if the screenwriter had wanted to sort all the threads of Augustine&#8217;s life out would be Vernon Bourke&#8217;s &#8220;Augustine&#8217;s Quest of Wisdom.&#8221; It&#8217;s one of my favorite books. Bourke tells the story of Augustine&#8217;s life not solely based on evidence from &#8220;Confessions,&#8221; but from all of the texts where clues about his life are given; especially important in that regard are the &#8220;Retractiones.&#8221; And Bourke really nails what you described about Augustine, Carl- his conversion of the head followed by his conversion of the heart in the garden. </p>
<p>BTW- Did they make a big deal out of Monica&#8217;s death at Ostia? It was a big deal to Augustine</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Eric Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Eric Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pseudoplotinus, the mini-series did try to do that with the last episode, and inserts the elder Augustine&#039;s Vandals-at-the-gates reflections throughout, but from the fragments of this episode we&#039;re given from the film, it seems mainly just visually striking, albeit in a B-level way--the weak dramatic conflict is that Augustine wants to cut a peace deal giving the city to the Vandals, whereas the governor pins his (vain) hopes on the Roman fleet coming to the rescue.

There is an interesting scene after Hippo falls where the Vandal king saves Augustine&#039;s books from the fire--lots of historically interesting tidbits like this throughout, although, alas, given the treatment of the Confessions you&#039;re not always sure you can trust them.  And maybe, since it is the only film I&#039;ve ever seen that mentions the non-pseudo Plontinus, you might still want to see it. Just be prepared for a C-minus script.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pseudoplotinus, the mini-series did try to do that with the last episode, and inserts the elder Augustine&#8217;s Vandals-at-the-gates reflections throughout, but from the fragments of this episode we&#8217;re given from the film, it seems mainly just visually striking, albeit in a B-level way&#8211;the weak dramatic conflict is that Augustine wants to cut a peace deal giving the city to the Vandals, whereas the governor pins his (vain) hopes on the Roman fleet coming to the rescue.</p>
<p>There is an interesting scene after Hippo falls where the Vandal king saves Augustine&#8217;s books from the fire&#8211;lots of historically interesting tidbits like this throughout, although, alas, given the treatment of the Confessions you&#8217;re not always sure you can trust them.  And maybe, since it is the only film I&#8217;ve ever seen that mentions the non-pseudo Plontinus, you might still want to see it. Just be prepared for a C-minus script.</p>
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