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		<title>By: Carl Eric Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Eric Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey John...me ego&#039;s a small one, and will only take having its production called &quot;insufferable&quot; so often. 

And as you should know, you&#039;re probably the only one who&#039;s read most of the Songbook besides a few others here and my wife.  Who knows if I&#039;ll be able to get the Songbook turned to a real book, and thus be regarded by more than ten pomocons as knowing a lot (and too much) about music.  I&#039;m sorry if thinking about it is bugging you of late...but it would be helpful to know what about it is specifically is bothering you.

Inevitably, I&#039;m going to piss people off talking about music, because to do so with any seriousness requires me at some point to give a &quot;big no&quot; to something.  And to insult someone&#039;s tastes.

Look, I am terminally hipster, I get pretentiously lost in the song-world, all that, but I do at the end of the day make way for the fact that tastes are never entirely rational, and not worth fretting about so much.  I remember at an InterVarsity Christian Fellowship meeting I was at once, and there was this staff worker from Occidental College(maybe he knew Barack!), who like me, was something of a hipster music-wise.  And he just starting going &lt;i&gt;off&lt;/i&gt; on this 80s Christian Contemporary star Amy Grant, and in the presence of a couple of folks who liked her.  I hated that.  I hate it when hipsters do that.  No, I didn&#039;t like Amy Grant that much either, but she wasn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;horrible&lt;/i&gt; (say, &quot;You Light Up My Life&quot; horrible, or Sammy Hagar horrible--see, I can&#039;t help myself!)  and why did this guy want to rain on their parade?  If all other music were to be lost, we&#039;d all be grateful for a surviving Amy Grant recording.  Or a Smashing Pumpkins one.  What the hell, even a Sammy Hagar one.  

Now John, what&#039;s bugging you?  You give me nothing to swing at here--you just say my rock v. rock n&#039; roll distinction is wrong.  Give me a three-point, or sure, like me, a fifteen-point, post explaining what seems wrong to you about the Songbook, but kindly leave out the insufferable and pretentious charges. Or just say you&#039;re getting tired of it, and leave it there.  

And now something about you, John.  19 times out of 20 when I read your posts I think:  wise man, good man, gotta have drinks with him some day.  But once in a blue moon I read something from you that seems in a kind of rant-mode, and also usually hard for me to understand it, not just the anger, but what the subject at hand simply is.

Such is this one.  Indeed, I almost want to email Word Press, and say &quot;warning, John Presnall impersonator has gotten into Pomocon, stolen the password.&quot;  You&#039;ve had nary a critical word on the Songbook, and then suddenly, and during a month where I haven&#039;t done much with it, BLAMMO!!  But I know you have these moments...

So let me have it, my friend, if you will.  I &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; criticism of the Songbook, but in a manner more workable for us than this. Sincerely, Carl.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John&#8230;me ego&#8217;s a small one, and will only take having its production called &#8220;insufferable&#8221; so often. </p>
<p>And as you should know, you&#8217;re probably the only one who&#8217;s read most of the Songbook besides a few others here and my wife.  Who knows if I&#8217;ll be able to get the Songbook turned to a real book, and thus be regarded by more than ten pomocons as knowing a lot (and too much) about music.  I&#8217;m sorry if thinking about it is bugging you of late&#8230;but it would be helpful to know what about it is specifically is bothering you.</p>
<p>Inevitably, I&#8217;m going to piss people off talking about music, because to do so with any seriousness requires me at some point to give a &#8220;big no&#8221; to something.  And to insult someone&#8217;s tastes.</p>
<p>Look, I am terminally hipster, I get pretentiously lost in the song-world, all that, but I do at the end of the day make way for the fact that tastes are never entirely rational, and not worth fretting about so much.  I remember at an InterVarsity Christian Fellowship meeting I was at once, and there was this staff worker from Occidental College(maybe he knew Barack!), who like me, was something of a hipster music-wise.  And he just starting going <i>off</i> on this 80s Christian Contemporary star Amy Grant, and in the presence of a couple of folks who liked her.  I hated that.  I hate it when hipsters do that.  No, I didn&#8217;t like Amy Grant that much either, but she wasn&#8217;t <i>horrible</i> (say, &#8220;You Light Up My Life&#8221; horrible, or Sammy Hagar horrible&#8211;see, I can&#8217;t help myself!)  and why did this guy want to rain on their parade?  If all other music were to be lost, we&#8217;d all be grateful for a surviving Amy Grant recording.  Or a Smashing Pumpkins one.  What the hell, even a Sammy Hagar one.  </p>
<p>Now John, what&#8217;s bugging you?  You give me nothing to swing at here&#8211;you just say my rock v. rock n&#8217; roll distinction is wrong.  Give me a three-point, or sure, like me, a fifteen-point, post explaining what seems wrong to you about the Songbook, but kindly leave out the insufferable and pretentious charges. Or just say you&#8217;re getting tired of it, and leave it there.  </p>
<p>And now something about you, John.  19 times out of 20 when I read your posts I think:  wise man, good man, gotta have drinks with him some day.  But once in a blue moon I read something from you that seems in a kind of rant-mode, and also usually hard for me to understand it, not just the anger, but what the subject at hand simply is.</p>
<p>Such is this one.  Indeed, I almost want to email Word Press, and say &#8220;warning, John Presnall impersonator has gotten into Pomocon, stolen the password.&#8221;  You&#8217;ve had nary a critical word on the Songbook, and then suddenly, and during a month where I haven&#8217;t done much with it, BLAMMO!!  But I know you have these moments&#8230;</p>
<p>So let me have it, my friend, if you will.  I <i>need</i> criticism of the Songbook, but in a manner more workable for us than this. Sincerely, Carl.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/10/28/angry-rock-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-29129</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In spite of all your rage, you are still just a rat in a cage, John Presnall]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In spite of all your rage, you are still just a rat in a cage, John Presnall</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the nature of posts here in the last few days, I don&#039;t know how much of this is serious and how much satire.  My guess is more the latter than the former, but it&#039;s hard to say.

The best sort of criticism rides the edge between profound insight and lunatic nonsense, with &quot;knowing pretension&quot; an absolute must.  See, e.g., Lipstick Traces.  Else you wouldn&#039;t learn anything, and certainly wouldn&#039;t gain any previously unrealized insight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the nature of posts here in the last few days, I don&#8217;t know how much of this is serious and how much satire.  My guess is more the latter than the former, but it&#8217;s hard to say.</p>
<p>The best sort of criticism rides the edge between profound insight and lunatic nonsense, with &#8220;knowing pretension&#8221; an absolute must.  See, e.g., Lipstick Traces.  Else you wouldn&#8217;t learn anything, and certainly wouldn&#8217;t gain any previously unrealized insight.</p>
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		<title>By: James Ceaser</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Ceaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The great debate has been launched, at 1:54 am, on Sunday. We&#039;ve seen nothing like it since  Davos, 1929.  ...More to come, I suppose. But what do those of us who have never read Kant or listened to the Smashing Pumpkins have to add?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great debate has been launched, at 1:54 am, on Sunday. We&#8217;ve seen nothing like it since  Davos, 1929.  &#8230;More to come, I suppose. But what do those of us who have never read Kant or listened to the Smashing Pumpkins have to add?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calm down, John, do please.  Take three deep breaths and listen to something that will restore your sense of proportion--something like the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain covering &quot;Psycho Killer&quot; at the 2009 BBC Proms.  Or Astor Piazola&#039;s Tango Zero Hour.  Then go out somewhere and dance the night away.

You&#039;ll be much the better for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calm down, John, do please.  Take three deep breaths and listen to something that will restore your sense of proportion&#8211;something like the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain covering &#8220;Psycho Killer&#8221; at the 2009 BBC Proms.  Or Astor Piazola&#8217;s Tango Zero Hour.  Then go out somewhere and dance the night away.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll be much the better for it.</p>
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