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		<title>By: Adam Baum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Baum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps Joseph, you didn&#039;t read my post-my contempt is reserved for the politicians and planners that engineered these situations. 

Actually though, contempt works just fine, just ask the &quot;millionaires and billionaires&quot;, the people that didn&#039;t &quot;build that&quot;, the &quot;religious right&quot; and the &quot;bitter clingers&quot;. After all, you are supposed to vote for &quot;revenge&quot;, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Joseph, you didn&#8217;t read my post-my contempt is reserved for the politicians and planners that engineered these situations. </p>
<p>Actually though, contempt works just fine, just ask the &#8220;millionaires and billionaires&#8221;, the people that didn&#8217;t &#8220;build that&#8221;, the &#8220;religious right&#8221; and the &#8220;bitter clingers&#8221;. After all, you are supposed to vote for &#8220;revenge&#8221;, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is the clear dislike and contempt of very explicit groups of people that is Mr. Baum&#039;s primary message.  Contempt for the people, and not disagreement with their views.  And there is no lack of congruence between Mr. Baum&#039;s views and those generally expressed in the Republican Party.

You can win elections doing this if the numbers of the groups you despise are small or they can be prevented from voting.  And Republicans have generally been able to do so since about 1972.

This will simply no longer be the case in the future, and the fortunes of our politics will change with this shift.  If the Republican Party does not acknowledge and adapt to this, it will die on the vine.

This is not a matter of views, particularly.  It is a matter of the personal attitude you take toward those you disagree with. For example, Latinos here are largely Catholic, and often very devout.  Anyone who approaches them with respect and tries to persuade them of the value of Christian Conservatism, has a fairly good chance of really being listened to.

Do you know of anyone actually doing this?  I don&#039;t.  As long as you keep thinking of them as the contemptible product of immigration and contraception, you will never be in a position to persuade anyone of anything.

There is no longer any real market for contempt of others, no matter if you think of them as &quot;dependent&quot; or anything else.  If that is all you offer for sale, you will go begging.  Those who have made their fortunes from it, the Rush Limbaughs, the Ann Coulters, and the Glenn Becks, have exhausted the major vein in the mine.

As much as I disagree with most of it, it would be a shame if the conservative point of view withered away merely because those who hold it haven&#039;t sufficient subtlety or sufficient sense to understand the old wisdom that you will attract more with honey than with vinegar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the clear dislike and contempt of very explicit groups of people that is Mr. Baum&#8217;s primary message.  Contempt for the people, and not disagreement with their views.  And there is no lack of congruence between Mr. Baum&#8217;s views and those generally expressed in the Republican Party.</p>
<p>You can win elections doing this if the numbers of the groups you despise are small or they can be prevented from voting.  And Republicans have generally been able to do so since about 1972.</p>
<p>This will simply no longer be the case in the future, and the fortunes of our politics will change with this shift.  If the Republican Party does not acknowledge and adapt to this, it will die on the vine.</p>
<p>This is not a matter of views, particularly.  It is a matter of the personal attitude you take toward those you disagree with. For example, Latinos here are largely Catholic, and often very devout.  Anyone who approaches them with respect and tries to persuade them of the value of Christian Conservatism, has a fairly good chance of really being listened to.</p>
<p>Do you know of anyone actually doing this?  I don&#8217;t.  As long as you keep thinking of them as the contemptible product of immigration and contraception, you will never be in a position to persuade anyone of anything.</p>
<p>There is no longer any real market for contempt of others, no matter if you think of them as &#8220;dependent&#8221; or anything else.  If that is all you offer for sale, you will go begging.  Those who have made their fortunes from it, the Rush Limbaughs, the Ann Coulters, and the Glenn Becks, have exhausted the major vein in the mine.</p>
<p>As much as I disagree with most of it, it would be a shame if the conservative point of view withered away merely because those who hold it haven&#8217;t sufficient subtlety or sufficient sense to understand the old wisdom that you will attract more with honey than with vinegar.</p>
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		<title>By: djf</title>
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		<dc:creator>djf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Baum &quot;gets it.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Baum &#8220;gets it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Baum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Baum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Finally, somebody gets it. We are simply not going to be the same country that we were in the 20th century. Diversity is now a fact, and it is the future, not an agenda. There will be no “majorities”, Slient or otherwise. There will be only pluralities.&quot; 

This is how I would rephrase this: 

We are simply not going to be the same country that we were in the 20th century. Dependency is now a fact, and it is the future, an agenda. There will be no “majorities”, Slient or otherwise. There will be only constituencies.&quot; 

If &quot;diversity&quot; is a fact, it has been engineered, through immigration and contraception-but what really has been engineered is dependency.

If you want to see other dimensions of the electorate-look at college students-Obama&#039;s lead is something like 30%. You scrimp and save to send your kid to college-and even with titantic efforts-your kid is likely to emerge with six-figure debt-so that the professiorate can delegate teaching to graduate assistants. If your kid decides to study an apolitical field (engineering, IT), he or she will be required to take copious amounts of things like sociology, psychology and other notorious left of center-fields with the idea of making them &quot;well-rounded&quot;-even though that rounding might not include the math skills necessary to make change.  

For four years the entire academy is devoted to finishing the job the primary and secondary schools have done for 12 years. Your child will be force-fed and enculturated with statism, libertinism, secularism, atheism-the entire pantheon of the left and its sophistries. Of course, when they emerge, especially now, where teen unemployment has been historically high, they will have no idea that their boss expects them to show up (on time) and shut up and do tasks their professors told them they were above doing. 

In short, while you thought they were getting job-securing training, they missed out on the more rudimentary aspects of working that can only be received through employment. So they think they know everything, have passions that are easily inflamed and are conditioned to listen to the piper&#039;s call

When the government says legitimate dependence on parents extends to age 26, you are easy prey for the statists.

Then there&#039;s another group that will no doubt vote for Obama; &quot;single (unwed) mothers&quot;. Nationally, it was just revealed that 40% of births are to unwed women. My mildly religious, but responsible cousin has two kids &quot;living in sin&quot;. Her daughter is one of the 40% and flat out told her marriage is out of the question due to the loss of government freebies. 

They look to the government as an ersatz husband and statists are eager to dangle shiny baubles in front of them. The EITC, subsidized day care, food stamps, housing. Who do you think these women are voting for? Why do you think the left attacks marriage?

Obama has done everything to instutionalize dependency for a very good reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Finally, somebody gets it. We are simply not going to be the same country that we were in the 20th century. Diversity is now a fact, and it is the future, not an agenda. There will be no “majorities”, Slient or otherwise. There will be only pluralities.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is how I would rephrase this: </p>
<p>We are simply not going to be the same country that we were in the 20th century. Dependency is now a fact, and it is the future, an agenda. There will be no “majorities”, Slient or otherwise. There will be only constituencies.&#8221; </p>
<p>If &#8220;diversity&#8221; is a fact, it has been engineered, through immigration and contraception-but what really has been engineered is dependency.</p>
<p>If you want to see other dimensions of the electorate-look at college students-Obama&#8217;s lead is something like 30%. You scrimp and save to send your kid to college-and even with titantic efforts-your kid is likely to emerge with six-figure debt-so that the professiorate can delegate teaching to graduate assistants. If your kid decides to study an apolitical field (engineering, IT), he or she will be required to take copious amounts of things like sociology, psychology and other notorious left of center-fields with the idea of making them &#8220;well-rounded&#8221;-even though that rounding might not include the math skills necessary to make change.  </p>
<p>For four years the entire academy is devoted to finishing the job the primary and secondary schools have done for 12 years. Your child will be force-fed and enculturated with statism, libertinism, secularism, atheism-the entire pantheon of the left and its sophistries. Of course, when they emerge, especially now, where teen unemployment has been historically high, they will have no idea that their boss expects them to show up (on time) and shut up and do tasks their professors told them they were above doing. </p>
<p>In short, while you thought they were getting job-securing training, they missed out on the more rudimentary aspects of working that can only be received through employment. So they think they know everything, have passions that are easily inflamed and are conditioned to listen to the piper&#8217;s call</p>
<p>When the government says legitimate dependence on parents extends to age 26, you are easy prey for the statists.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s another group that will no doubt vote for Obama; &#8220;single (unwed) mothers&#8221;. Nationally, it was just revealed that 40% of births are to unwed women. My mildly religious, but responsible cousin has two kids &#8220;living in sin&#8221;. Her daughter is one of the 40% and flat out told her marriage is out of the question due to the loss of government freebies. </p>
<p>They look to the government as an ersatz husband and statists are eager to dangle shiny baubles in front of them. The EITC, subsidized day care, food stamps, housing. Who do you think these women are voting for? Why do you think the left attacks marriage?</p>
<p>Obama has done everything to instutionalize dependency for a very good reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The global economic problem that no one has come close to addressing, let alone answering, is how to continue the entitlement state as the age demographics become totally inverted from where they’ve always been historically.
--words worth repeating]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The global economic problem that no one has come close to addressing, let alone answering, is how to continue the entitlement state as the age demographics become totally inverted from where they’ve always been historically.<br />
&#8211;words worth repeating</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Marshall:  You&#039;ve completely missed my point.  I didn&#039;t say it doesn&#039;t matter.  I said it&#039;s not what matters.  It&#039;s a secondary effect for future policy considerations.  Sure, non-whites and white vote very different.  But even if we do see some sort of Permanent Liberal Majority (we won&#039;t), it will be radically constrained by an entirely different demographic reality.  Even Slow Joe, our loathsome VP who is so delusional he apparently thinks he can run for even higher office, could only blather on about their genius plan to save Medicare until 2024.  The global economic problem that no one has come close to addressing, let alone answering, is how to continue the entitlement state as the age demographics become totally inverted from where they&#039;ve always been historically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Marshall:  You&#8217;ve completely missed my point.  I didn&#8217;t say it doesn&#8217;t matter.  I said it&#8217;s not what matters.  It&#8217;s a secondary effect for future policy considerations.  Sure, non-whites and white vote very different.  But even if we do see some sort of Permanent Liberal Majority (we won&#8217;t), it will be radically constrained by an entirely different demographic reality.  Even Slow Joe, our loathsome VP who is so delusional he apparently thinks he can run for even higher office, could only blather on about their genius plan to save Medicare until 2024.  The global economic problem that no one has come close to addressing, let alone answering, is how to continue the entitlement state as the age demographics become totally inverted from where they&#8217;ve always been historically.</p>
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		<title>By: Jy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, you can also take the Democratic platform and see which points eliminate future minority voters from even existing.

But that&#039;s ok its not like the Democrats support any profit centered mega machine dedicated to the destruction of the poor...

Seriously, Democrats are politicians. How you can say that somehow they alone have the true ways of Fairness and Love of the Underprivileged and the Oppressed is beyond me. Especially in an age when the party has sold its soul to Planned Parenthood, which has its effective goals the destruction of sexual morality as well as our children and the reduction of the ranks of the poor and minorities. Keeping government programs going only does so much, you know.

Sorry, venting my spleen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, you can also take the Democratic platform and see which points eliminate future minority voters from even existing.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s ok its not like the Democrats support any profit centered mega machine dedicated to the destruction of the poor&#8230;</p>
<p>Seriously, Democrats are politicians. How you can say that somehow they alone have the true ways of Fairness and Love of the Underprivileged and the Oppressed is beyond me. Especially in an age when the party has sold its soul to Planned Parenthood, which has its effective goals the destruction of sexual morality as well as our children and the reduction of the ranks of the poor and minorities. Keeping government programs going only does so much, you know.</p>
<p>Sorry, venting my spleen.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it doesn&#039;t matter, why do we see such consistently skewed voting numbers, election after election?  There are only two possibilies.  Either the Republican message is not getting through after all this time, or it is getting through and the voters involved don&#039;t care for it.

In either case, somebody has some work to do in the future beyond merely asserting national color-blindness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it doesn&#8217;t matter, why do we see such consistently skewed voting numbers, election after election?  There are only two possibilies.  Either the Republican message is not getting through after all this time, or it is getting through and the voters involved don&#8217;t care for it.</p>
<p>In either case, somebody has some work to do in the future beyond merely asserting national color-blindness.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian, You are right.  But no candidate dare campaign on that inconvenient truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, You are right.  But no candidate dare campaign on that inconvenient truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We are simply not going to be the same country that we were in the 20th century.&quot;

This is very true.  In the 20th century we had far more kids and workers than retirees and the government could easily raise as much money as it wanted without impeding the real economy.

The 21st century is not going to be like that.

Skin color is not the demographic change that matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We are simply not going to be the same country that we were in the 20th century.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is very true.  In the 20th century we had far more kids and workers than retirees and the government could easily raise as much money as it wanted without impeding the real economy.</p>
<p>The 21st century is not going to be like that.</p>
<p>Skin color is not the demographic change that matters.</p>
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