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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/07/scattered-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-29775</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carl, nothing against Brian&#039;s idea.  Paul Ryan does a lot of that.  I wish the GOP had a hundred more Paul Ryans doing the same thing.  It&#039;s just that their day jobs would tend to limit their impact during nonelection years (when most of the attitude-shifting should be focused on) and a lot of people we need aren&#039;t going to be going to those meetings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, nothing against Brian&#8217;s idea.  Paul Ryan does a lot of that.  I wish the GOP had a hundred more Paul Ryans doing the same thing.  It&#8217;s just that their day jobs would tend to limit their impact during nonelection years (when most of the attitude-shifting should be focused on) and a lot of people we need aren&#8217;t going to be going to those meetings.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank McLaughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/07/scattered-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-29686</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank McLaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After signing the Economists for Romney statement in mid August I received an email from a student who was with the College Republicans. I replied and the content of my email is pasted below.  It relates to your points 3 and 4.   In his response to my reply the student wrote “I believe many college students are either unaware of, or don’t have a great perspective on many of the issues you mention.”  This is not the first time I’ve had such a response from a student.

The text of my email:

I received the Economists for Romney petition and added my name because I had decided to vote for Romney and thought for what it was worth I would add my name to the petition as a way of supporting his candidacy.   I do think of Romney and Ryan as pragmatic problem solvers whom I think will be more likely to come to grips, than would a second Obama administration, with the long term implications of the enormous structural deficit, a problem Obama intensified by pushing through, without sufficient bipartisan support, an inadequately understood health care plan.  But my opposition to the reelection of Obama, whom I did not vote for last time around, is based primarily on issues other than economic issues, and my willingness to sign the statement was based more on these other factors than the specific economic content of the statement.  Although since I did think the economic content deserved serious consideration in the upcoming election I decided I would sign it.  For these reasons I&#039;m prepared to be part of a panel that explained and defended the case for Romney and Ryan on the basis of economic policy.  I&#039;d have to spend more time preparing than I will have available both now and once classes begin. In light of this, perhaps I should not have signed the statement before I had thoroughly convinced myself that I fully supported all elements of the statement.

My support for Romney is based primarily in my opposition to Obama&#039;s presidency and that opposition is based in the first instance, on my strong interest in the pro life issue, and the fact that Obama when he was a candidate last time around (and nothing has changed for the better in this regard in my view) was completely unacceptable from my pro life perspective. If you are interested in this perspective of mine i can explain my view in more detail. I also think it is important to support natural marriage in our law and public policy, and the fact that the Obama Justice Department would not defend challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act (passed with strong bipartisan support in both Houses of Congress and signed into law by President Clinton) on the basis of the reasons Congress had for enacting the law, has reinforced my opposition to Obama. And in the run up to the enactment of the Affordable Care Act the Obama administration persistently took the position of groups such as NARAL causing life long Democrats like me to conclude that the Democratic party had no place for us.   I can add to this the current Obama confrontation with First amendment religious liberty rights that is implicit in the HHS mandate on the provision of contraceptives and abortifacients.  I have also been particularly concerned about what I regard as the antidemocratic nature of the Independent Payments Advisory Board set up under the Obama health plan as the ultimate way to control health costs. I do not know how much thought you&#039;ve given to this Board, but I believe its structure and operations are contrary to the principles of democratic governance. The decisions of this Board are it seems to me beyond effective democratic control.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After signing the Economists for Romney statement in mid August I received an email from a student who was with the College Republicans. I replied and the content of my email is pasted below.  It relates to your points 3 and 4.   In his response to my reply the student wrote “I believe many college students are either unaware of, or don’t have a great perspective on many of the issues you mention.”  This is not the first time I’ve had such a response from a student.</p>
<p>The text of my email:</p>
<p>I received the Economists for Romney petition and added my name because I had decided to vote for Romney and thought for what it was worth I would add my name to the petition as a way of supporting his candidacy.   I do think of Romney and Ryan as pragmatic problem solvers whom I think will be more likely to come to grips, than would a second Obama administration, with the long term implications of the enormous structural deficit, a problem Obama intensified by pushing through, without sufficient bipartisan support, an inadequately understood health care plan.  But my opposition to the reelection of Obama, whom I did not vote for last time around, is based primarily on issues other than economic issues, and my willingness to sign the statement was based more on these other factors than the specific economic content of the statement.  Although since I did think the economic content deserved serious consideration in the upcoming election I decided I would sign it.  For these reasons I&#8217;m prepared to be part of a panel that explained and defended the case for Romney and Ryan on the basis of economic policy.  I&#8217;d have to spend more time preparing than I will have available both now and once classes begin. In light of this, perhaps I should not have signed the statement before I had thoroughly convinced myself that I fully supported all elements of the statement.</p>
<p>My support for Romney is based primarily in my opposition to Obama&#8217;s presidency and that opposition is based in the first instance, on my strong interest in the pro life issue, and the fact that Obama when he was a candidate last time around (and nothing has changed for the better in this regard in my view) was completely unacceptable from my pro life perspective. If you are interested in this perspective of mine i can explain my view in more detail. I also think it is important to support natural marriage in our law and public policy, and the fact that the Obama Justice Department would not defend challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act (passed with strong bipartisan support in both Houses of Congress and signed into law by President Clinton) on the basis of the reasons Congress had for enacting the law, has reinforced my opposition to Obama. And in the run up to the enactment of the Affordable Care Act the Obama administration persistently took the position of groups such as NARAL causing life long Democrats like me to conclude that the Democratic party had no place for us.   I can add to this the current Obama confrontation with First amendment religious liberty rights that is implicit in the HHS mandate on the provision of contraceptives and abortifacients.  I have also been particularly concerned about what I regard as the antidemocratic nature of the Independent Payments Advisory Board set up under the Obama health plan as the ultimate way to control health costs. I do not know how much thought you&#8217;ve given to this Board, but I believe its structure and operations are contrary to the principles of democratic governance. The decisions of this Board are it seems to me beyond effective democratic control.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Eric Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/07/scattered-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-29645</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Eric Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 12:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spot-on, Pete. Especially on 3 and 4.

Brian&#039;s town-hall idea has more merit than you think.  

As for the lovely Ms. Warren, recall my certainty that the cook-book plagiarism (never, as far as I know, denied or refuted) was the final sign that she was DONE:  http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/05/19/elizabeth-warren-the-low-down-democratic-goodness-of-public-shaming/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot-on, Pete. Especially on 3 and 4.</p>
<p>Brian&#8217;s town-hall idea has more merit than you think.  </p>
<p>As for the lovely Ms. Warren, recall my certainty that the cook-book plagiarism (never, as far as I know, denied or refuted) was the final sign that she was DONE:  <a href="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/05/19/elizabeth-warren-the-low-down-democratic-goodness-of-public-shaming/" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/05/19/elizabeth-warren-the-low-down-democratic-goodness-of-public-shaming/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/07/scattered-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-29618</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 02:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1.  Brian, let him lie.  It is a free country.  Of course the MSM covered from Obama on this issue.  Abortion is one of those issues where the liberal-leaning-but-not explicitly-partisan media doesn&#039;t even try to be sort of fair.  So what?  That most people don&#039;t know the extent of Obama&#039;s abortion extremism is the fault of the center-right.  If the center-right invests in a issue, the median voter will at least hear about it.  This is especially true if there is an ad campaign.  Huge numbers of people don&#039;t know what partial birth abortion is never mind that Obama was for keeping it legal.  

2.  My concern is that the impact of such things will be limited and all of these people have real jobs.  I just don&#039;t think that we should expect too much from elected officials (not too little either.)  A lot of the weight will have to be carried by conservative organizations.  There is a lot of money out there being wasted on ads that make the rubble bounce in election years and say nothing to the constituencies the center-right needs to win over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Brian, let him lie.  It is a free country.  Of course the MSM covered from Obama on this issue.  Abortion is one of those issues where the liberal-leaning-but-not explicitly-partisan media doesn&#8217;t even try to be sort of fair.  So what?  That most people don&#8217;t know the extent of Obama&#8217;s abortion extremism is the fault of the center-right.  If the center-right invests in a issue, the median voter will at least hear about it.  This is especially true if there is an ad campaign.  Huge numbers of people don&#8217;t know what partial birth abortion is never mind that Obama was for keeping it legal.  </p>
<p>2.  My concern is that the impact of such things will be limited and all of these people have real jobs.  I just don&#8217;t think that we should expect too much from elected officials (not too little either.)  A lot of the weight will have to be carried by conservative organizations.  There is a lot of money out there being wasted on ads that make the rubble bounce in election years and say nothing to the constituencies the center-right needs to win over.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 02:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. Unfortunately, I just don&#039;t see it.  Recall that in 2008 Obama just lied about his abortion position &amp; record, and the MSM covered for him.  This time around they would have done the same thing AND accused the GOP of rehashing old news AND folded it into their absurd WoW nonsense, which clearly worked quite well for their target demo.

2. How about folks like Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, etc., do a series of town-halls and other sorts of events at campuses across the country?  Year round, every year, all the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Unfortunately, I just don&#8217;t see it.  Recall that in 2008 Obama just lied about his abortion position &amp; record, and the MSM covered for him.  This time around they would have done the same thing AND accused the GOP of rehashing old news AND folded it into their absurd WoW nonsense, which clearly worked quite well for their target demo.</p>
<p>2. How about folks like Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, etc., do a series of town-halls and other sorts of events at campuses across the country?  Year round, every year, all the time.</p>
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